The infinite supreme is good.
The nature of good is everything including nothing.
Evil is from good but it is only that part which is nothing. Evil is the absence of everything. The only aspect of evil is that of something different from good.
The nature of evil is change.
Good is everything including nothing, evil is only nothing. Nothing is change and the source of change is evil. All change occurs within evil as that is its nature. As good fills evil something different is changed to something else.
The full reflection of good within evil is god. Just as evil is only nothing, god is only everything including being the first thing. Within evil, god is good alone. Good defined is god. Within god everything is defined. Within evil the nature of good is changed to god. God is the creator. The creation of god within evil is entirely of good and created with good alone. The nature of creation is the evolution of things.
Good is everything including nothing. Nothing is evil and evil is only change. Good within evil is changed to god. God is everything changing. Everything that changes is creation. Creation is the evolution of things. Every thing within the universe is a manifestation of a particular aspect of the constantly changing good.
Within creation existence requires change and no thing can create itself but only be created by the changing of something else. For a thing to exist its aspect must first be taken from another thing.

Alternatively,

Good - that which does no harm
Evil - that which harms

Since it is that every thing within the universe can only come into existence through the harming of some other thing or things, no thing can be wholly good. Since the continued existence of many things relies on the continual destruction of other things, these many things are evil. Of the evil things, theirs is to perform the least amount of wrong action as possible and thereby decrease the amount of their evil within the universe.

This all reads like nonsensical rambling.

First of all you never defined what a god is and you can't say that all things good are attributed to a god. Because some things defined as good are subjective and not objective realities.

There are things that neither cause harm nor cause harm so what would they be?

Not to mention that if god were to exist in the first place and that god created the current system then by all means god would be the fabricator of harm.

If god is the designer, why not create a system were no harm is possible?

Yet since harm is possible then by all means that god purposely created the system by which harm can be caused, making that god the fundamental leader of harm. Therefore to attribute god as being good is false statement. God would be the ultimate cause of harm.

Theists often neglect to reason out their arguments. They just ramble on and define things without investigating if those definitions actually work in the argument. Clearly you didn't do any thinking, but instead just rambled on without any consideration to what you were saying.

You are probably reading to quickly. This style is for a much slower pace.

I am sure I stated that god is the full reflection of good within evil, good being the infinite supreme. Additionally, I defined god as the creator.

Of course I can say all things good are attributed to god as every thing is of god.

No things are good only the infinite supreme is good.

I am not sure what you are saying here but let me assure you there are no things within the universe that exist without having first caused harm.

being a created being it takes a lot of denial to try to disbelieve in being created.

god is the creator of that which harms, yes, but god only creates, god does not harm.

no harm means no change. there is no system in that.

I wrote that god is the creator and the reflection of good. good being the infinite supreme. no thing within the universe can be good since every thing within the universe requires the harm of another thing to exist. Please reread what i wrote I am sure you will see.

Just because you do not understand does not mean that you need to be rude. Clearly you merely skimmed what I wrote and were not able to grasp its meaning. Hopefully I have cleared up your confusion here. I would be happy to help you further if you are still having problems. I understand that it is very profound and difficult to digest at a glance.

Good - that which does no harm
Evil - that which harms

GOOD and EVIL exist in same plane.

There is something else...absense of GOOD and EVIL both is possible.

You have to say , You do not exist.

Good and Evil are just beliefs. When you do not exist , beliefs do not exist!.

Actually I read it several times because it seemed like the ramblings of a person and the verge of psychosis.

You can't just attribute something as being something without having a reference for it. I can't accept this definition because you provide nothing other than your own person opinion of what you want it to be.

Don't you mean your invented desire for what good is? What does it even mean to say infinite supreme good? It is a contradiction in terms. Infinite implies filling everything. So that would imply that everything is supremely good. But as you just stated no things are good. So your own definition is just nothing more than an empty definition.

Nonsense again. To create the thing in which causes the harm in the first place is the harmer. Once again your definition is just an empty desired trait that you insist must be there for your delusion to work.

Nonsense again. There is change in things that cause no harm. Once again atoms. Atoms change and cause no harm. They do not have to destroy anything to become more complex or change.

I don't need to because your definition is flawed. Like I have previously pointed out. Laughable. Profound? It is the ramblings of a madman. You haven't provided anything other than to restate your opinion again. You have not clearly defined anything and once again you failed to reason out weather or not your definitions make sense. As I have already pointed out atoms do not cause harm as you insist everything in the universe causes harm is nonsense.

Extremely old fashion and naive way of defining things./

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It is a very old way of looking at things but it is also absolutely true.
There is no way for any thing to be good as all things cause harm. Impossible to disprove as all facts are.

Now most people want to think of themselves as good and so they practice the least amount of evil as possible, granted, but that is a far cry from actually being good.

HexHammer;146081 wrote:

People who contribute cloth and food to 3rd world countries, will think of themselfs as "good", when actually they'r evil. Recent studies has clarifyed that such mass contributions will undermine the local industries and destroy the ability to be selfsufficient, destroy the ability to export their goods and they end in a downward negative spiral.

Evil people usually have a good reason to be "evil" as they have been traumatized for a long period of time, and it's therefore the enviroment and not the person, well unless the person is born/enterd a psycotic/scitzophrenic state of mind.

This, as I am sure you know, makes no sense at all. Could you please reword it or elaborate, I would like to try to understand what you are saying here.

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pondfish;146094 wrote:

GOOD and EVIL exist in same plane.

There is something else...absense of GOOD and EVIL both is possible.

You have to say , You do not exist.

Good and Evil are just beliefs. When you do not exist , beliefs do not exist!.

Well, while it may be true that good exists within the plane of evil, I am afraid that evil cannot exist in the plane of good. It is fundamentally impossible for there it be an absence of good and evil.

What you CHOOSE to believe has no effect on reality and truth of the universe, creation, and the infinite supreme. You can either be blind to it or accept it, those are your only two options.

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pondfish;146115 wrote:

Things gets eaten. You are evil to plants. Will you agree? Foolish humans

it is all energy flow. People always attack weak first. Because it is easy!.

Eating other things is a great example of causing harm. By sculpting a statue the out of a granite block the sculptor has harmed the block. the block in turn owes its existence to the harming of the living rock in which it was quarried.

it is impossible for things not to harm, the trick is to do as little harm as possible.

Ah. the trick is to do as little harm as possible.

.....Good and Evil are just beliefs. When you do not exist , beliefs do not exist!.

You are really making me feel sorry for you but I will be patient and go slow. So what you are telling me is that if I create a beautiful glass vase and give it to you as a present and you take it and beat your mother over the head with it then I am the harmer? You have much to learn if you really believe this. What is more likely is that you are scared and lashing out at others somehow makes you feel stronger. It doesn't.

Ah. You are one of THOSE guys. Okay, I see. So all you want t do is be an ass. Thats okay, there are many people in these forums that are so scared and ignroant of themselves that all they can do is lash out at others to try and make themselves feel more important. I will try not to hold your immaturity against you.

Yes I can and its okay if you are not capable of accepting it. Whether or not you accept it has nothing to do with its validity. You are not that important.

Please reread what you have written here, as it probably only makes sense in your head. You are going to need to flush out this little rant if you want others to have any idea what you are alluding to. YOUR version of infinite is completely skewed.

Do you try to be so silly, think about the ridiculousness of you question. How is it even possible that an atom could exist without causing harm. You must be half asleep, please try to stay more cogent.

You are really making me feel sorry for you but I will be patient and go slow. So what you are telling me is that if I create a beautiful glass vase and give it to you as a present and you take it and beat your mother over the head with it then I am the harmer? You have much to learn if you really believe this. What is more likely is that you are scared and lashing out at others somehow makes you feel stronger. It doesn't.

Perhaps you should think a little bit more about what you are going to write before you actually type it. I challenge you to find ONE credible scientist to agree with you on this point. You and I both know you will never find one.

Well, I certainly hope you feel better. Now that you have gotten that out of your system would you care to have an adult discussion of your lack of understanding on this topic? I will be glad to walk you through it step by step as you obviously struggle with the most basic concepts.

Have a great day.

This analogy doesn't work in this situation, If God created us so that by simply living we are being evil ie dying skin cells and the rest of it. It is not by our will we do these evil things but a fault of god for making us in a way we can not help but be evil. It is by gods will we are evil he created us this way. which would mean he is not good for he created a world that by his will would be evil in existing

When you learn more about psycology and the concept of "demagogue" then that is the first step to know that there are no such things as "good" or "evil".

Learn about the term "the road to Hell are paved with good intentions".

This will hopfully make you realize everything else are a naive way of looking at things.

This analogy doesn't work in this situation

If God created us so that by simply living we are being evil ie dying skin cells and the rest of it.

It is not by our will we do these evil things but a fault of god for making us in a way we can not help but be evil.

It is by gods will we are evil he created us this way. which would mean he is not good for he created a world that by his will would be evil in existing

Quiet embrassing yourself.<

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I think you are just confusing Good and Evil with right and wrong.

We are Evil, we strive to be Good, but we can only DO right or wrong. We cannot be Good and we cannot do evil.

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Okay, you make several mistakes here but they are common so I will go through them one at a time.

Yes, we are evil beings by necessity of existence. We must destroy in order to live just as all beings must destroy in order to live and that alone is what makes us evil.:devilish:

Here is where you start to go wrong. The evil things we do is destroy to live. That is, we take the lives of plants and animals into ourselves so that we may continue to exist. That is our only evil action. If we were eternal we would not need this evil action. But if we were eternal we could not exist within the universe as the universe is not eternal.

Anything that god creates is by necessity evil. While everything is of god no thing can encompass god, and is therefore lacking. Only that which is not lacking can be good. Every thing else is evil.

However, every thing is of god. while the forms things take are finite the substance of which they are made, god, is eternal. While forms change no part of the world is ever gone.

I think you are just confusing Good and Evil with right and wrong.

We are Evil, we strive to be Good, but we can only DO right or wrong. We cannot be Good and we cannot do evil.

Yes, we are evil beings by necessity of existence. We must destroy in order to live just as all beings must destroy in order to live and that alone is what makes us evil.

I was trying to understand your argument. I guess you see questioning as a form of immaturity.

You don't realize that your empty definition is why I couldn't accept it? Funny how you just assume that everyone will accept this infinite supreme because you say it. Who's acting important?

Okay, if my version is skewed, why not educate me on your version then? Instead of just telling me that my definition of infinite is wrong?

Please, tell me then, what harm did the atom cause?

I have no idea what you are even talking about. Once again, it was a question to your argument, yet you take it to be something insulting. You can't handle questions?

Funny how you are expecting a scientific backing for my argument yet you require no backing for your own argument? Thanks for the irony. You tell me then, educate me on how atoms cause harm when they change form. If you are more knowledgeable then why not inform me?

You didn't answer a single question from my last post. I wonder if you will answer any from this one. Why is it you take questioning as insulting?