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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 04:41 am
23 Minutes in Hell

One night I was catapulted to the very pit of hell--a terrible place of grotesque creatures, toxic fumes, and terrible darkness.

BY: Bill Wiese
23 Minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese--Hell demons punishment torment Christian afterlife - Beliefnet.com

On November 22, 1998... I was catapulted out of my bed into the very pit of hell. My point of arrival was a cell that was approximately fifteen feet high by ten feet wide with a fifteen-foot depth.

With its walls of rough stone and rigid bars on the door, I felt as though I was in a temporary holding area, a place where a prisoner would await his final hours before meeting a far more terrifying destiny. Isaiah 24:22 says, "And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison" (KJV). Proverbs 7:27 refers to "chambers" of death in hell.

As I lay there on the floor of that cell, I felt extremely weak. I noticed that I had a body, one that appeared just as it is now. Lifting my head, I began to look around. Immediately I realized that I was not alone in this cell. I saw two enormous beasts, unlike anything I had ever seen before.

These creatures were approximately ten to thirteen feet tall. These towering beasts were far, far beyond intimidating. It is one thing to be threatened by someone much taller than you. But these creatures were not of this natural world. I recognized that they were entirely evil, and they were gazing at me with pure, unrestrained hatred, which completely paralyzed me with fear. "Evil" and "Terror" stood before me. Those creatures were an intensely concentrated manifestation of those two forces.

I still had no idea where I was, and I felt utterly panicked. Although I had no point of reference, no familiarity with anything I was experiencing, and no understanding of how I got here, still I was faced with the unimaginable reality that a tortuous death seemed certain.

The creatures weren't animals, but they weren't human, either. Each giant beast resembled a reptile in appearance, but took on human form. Their arms and legs were unequal in length, out of proportion-without symmetry. The first one had bumps and scales all over its grotesque body. It had a huge protruding jaw, gigantic teeth, and large sunken-in eyes.



This creature was stout and powerful, with thick legs and abnormally large feet. It was pacing violently around the cell like a caged bull, and its demeanor was extremely ferocious. The second beast was taller and thinner, with very long arms and razor-sharp fins that covered its body. Protruding from its hands were claws that were nearly a foot long. Its personality seemed different from the first being. It was certainly no less evil, but it remained rather still.

I could hear the creatures speaking to each other. Although I could not identify what language it was, somehow I could understand their words. They were awful words-terrible, blasphemous language that spewed from their mouths expressing extreme hatred for God.

Suddenly they turned their attention toward me. They looked like hungry predators staring at their prey. I was terrified. Like an insect in a deadly spider's web, I felt helpless, trapped, and frozen with fear. I knew I had become the object of their hostility, and I felt a violent, evil presence such as I had never felt before and greater than anything I could imagine. They possessed a hatred that far surpassed any hatred a person could have, and now that hatred was directed straight at me. I couldn't identify what these beasts were yet, but I knew they meant me harm.


I knew that it was much more than physical weakness I was feeling. Indeed, it was weakness of every form. I was mentally and emotionally drained, even though I had only been there a few minutes. Most of us have experienced a loss of strength and energy after intense weeping, emotional distress, or grief. After a time of healing, we regain that strength though it may take years. However, at that moment I felt that there would never be a time for recuperating from the literal weight that had fallen upon me-a weight of hopeless despair.


Two more creatures came into the cell, and I had the feeling that these four beings had been "assigned" to me. I felt as though I was being "sized up" and that my torment would be their amusement. As they entered, suddenly the light vanished. It became absolutely pitch black. I had no idea why the sudden and intense darkness had begun. But I sensed that the light that had been present had been an intrusion and that the atmosphere had now returned to its normal state of darkness. Lamentations 3:6 states: "He has set me in dark places like the dead of long ago."

One of the creatures picked me up. The strength of the beast was amazing. I was comparable to the weight of a water glass in its hand. Mark 5:3-4 describes a man possessed with a demon with these words: "...no one could bind him, not even with chains...the chains had been pulled apart by him, and the shackles broken in pieces." Instinctively, I knew that the creature holding me had strength approximately one thousand times greater than a man. I cannot explain how I perceived that bit of information.



Then the beast threw me against the wall. I crumbled onto the floor. It felt as though every bone in my body had been broken.' I felt pain, but it was as if the pain was being somehow softened. I knew I did not experience the full brunt of the pain. I thought, How was it blocked?

The second beast, with its razor-like claws and sharp protruding fins, then grabbed me from behind in a bear hug. As it pressed me into its chest, its sharp fins pierced my back. I felt like a rag doll in its clutches in comparison to his enormous size. He then reached around and plunged his claws into my chest and ripped them outward. My flesh hung from my body like ribbons as I fell again to the cell floor.



These creatures had no respect for the human body-how remarkably it is made. I have always taken care of myself by eating right, exercising, and staying in shape, but none of that mattered as my body was being destroyed right before my eyes.

I knew that I could not escape this torture via death, for not even that was an option. Death penetrated me, but eluded me. The creatures seemed to derive pleasure in the pain and terror they inflicted upon me. Psalm 116:3 (KVJ) says, "The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow." Oh, how I yearned for death, but there would be none.
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I pleaded for mercy, but they had none-absolutely no mercy. They seemed to be incapable of it. They were pure evil. No mercy existed in that place. Mercy is from God in heaven.

The mental anguish I felt was indescribable. Asking for mercy from such evil only seemed to heighten their desire to torment me more.

I was conscious of the fact that there was no fluid coming from my wounds. No blood, no water, nothing. At this time, I did not stop to wonder why. I was extremely nauseous from the terrible, foul stench coming from these creatures. It was absolutely disgusting, foul, and rotten. It was, by far, the most putrid smells I have ever encountered.


If you could take every rotten thing you can imagine, such as an open sewer, rotten meat, spoiled eggs, sour milk, dead rotting animal flesh, and sulfur, and magnify it a thousand times, you might come close. This is not an exaggeration. The odor was actually extremely toxic, and that alone should have killed me.


Instinctively, I just knew that some of the things I experienced were a thousand times worse than what would be possible on the earth's surface-things such as the odors mentioned, the strength of the demons, the loudness of the screams, the dryness, and the loneliness felt.

Somehow I managed to move a bit and dragged myself across the ground toward the barred door. I couldn't see, but I remembered the direction of the door that had been left open. I finally made it to the door and crawled out of the cell. Apparently, the creatures allowed me to crawl out without stopping me.

As soon as I exited the cell, my first instinct was to get as far away as possible. Again, I desperately wanted to run. All I could think of was to get up onto my feet. However, every move to get up took great effort. I remember wondering, Why is this so difficult? After tremendous exertion, I was finally able to stand. I was thoroughly exhausted and, at the same time, very frustrated at how hard simple movement had become. Although I was now outside the cell, I could not run, and fear continued to bind itself around me as a snake constricting its prey.

I was horrified as I heard the screams of an untold multitude of people crying out in torment. It was absolutely deafening. The terror-filled screams seemed to go right through me, penetrating my very being. I once heard about a television special where a news reporter spent the night in a prison just to experience prison life firsthand. The prisoners were crying, moaning, and yelling all night long. He stated that he couldn't sleep because of all the noise. This place where I now stood was far, far worse.

Through the panic and the deafening noise, I struggled to gather my thoughts. I'm in hell! This is a real place, and I'm actually here! I frantically tried to understand, but it was just so inconceivable. Not me, I'm a good person, I thought. The fear was so intense I couldn't bear it, but again, I couldn't die. I knew that most people up on the surface of the earth did not believe or even know that there was a whole world going on down here. They wouldn't believe it. But here it existed, and it was all too real. This place was so terrifying, so intense, and so hostile that it would be impossible for me to exaggerate the horror.


Was he lying or was he insane or is there some truth to it??


Peace?


Alan



 
KaseiJin
 
Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 06:36 am
@Alan McDougall,
If he is now dead, he was greatly lacking in some brain connection. If he is still alive, he is greatly lacking in some brain connection--and that holds even if he's just making money by story telling.
 
xris
 
Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 07:18 am
@KaseiJin,
Alan do you really believe this tosh?the mans a tool for a fear driven faith,to keep the ditherers in line.If this god can permit such horrors for his creation do you think his worthy of consideration?
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 10:38 pm
@xris,
xris;71359 wrote:
Alan do you really believe this tosh?the mans a tool for a fear driven faith,to keep the ditherers in line.If this god can permit such horrors for his creation do you think his worthy of consideration?


No of course xis I dont believe him, it would make god worse than any human despot.

The reason I posted this thread is countless people believe him now and are rushing to get converted out of FEAR of going there

He has a great imagination I think Hollywood should employ him his story is worse than any Stephen King novel

But this is a serious topic in that millions are caught up in this FEAR on a final awful Justice.

I once had a thought that all we really are is an IDEA in the mind of god, and if he forgot us we would vanish from existence

If I were god I would not like a person to follow me out of fear, but from fatherly love in a divine creator

Anyway if we are to believe scripture there are various levels of reward or punishment in the afterlife
 
xris
 
Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 02:05 am
@Alan McDougall,
Thankfuly i dont believe in scriptures Alan or i would be having nightmares,thanks xris.
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 07:29 pm
@xris,
xris;71641 wrote:
Thankfuly i dont believe in scriptures Alan or i would be having nightmares,thanks xris.


xris The point is that you cannot find this horror anywhere in the bible, these beliefs are fundamental based, who claim to literally follow scripture, but in this they divert or pervert scripture to get browny points or favour with the almighty.

These people go as far as saying that ordanary folk like you and I are going to this place because we fall so short of gods perfection

"Please god , repectfully, your creation is not perfect is it? Prayer from uncle Alan!
"
 
xris
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 03:02 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;71948 wrote:
xris The point is that you cannot find this horror anywhere in the bible, these beliefs are fundamental based, who claim to literally follow scripture, but in this they divert or pervert scripture to get browny points or favour with the almighty.

These people go as far as saying that ordanary folk like you and I are going to this place because we fall so short of gods perfection

"Please god , repectfully, your creation is not perfect is it? Prayer from uncle Alan!"
Paul encourages us to see hell as a retribution for sin surely?
 
Dave Allen
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 03:17 am
@Alan McDougall,
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (John 15:6)
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 04:16 am
@Dave Allen,
Dave Allen;72040 wrote:
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (John 15:6)


Thus I am and xris etc, going to be cast into the fire when we kick the bucket ?
 
Dave Allen
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 05:36 am
@Alan McDougall,
If scripture is any guide - possibly.

Lucky for us the only evidence in it's favour is purely anecdotal, highly contentious even between those who claim to adhere to it and generally counter-intuitive and suspect, eh?
 
KaseiJin
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 06:05 am
@Alan McDougall,
Don't worry Alan, no such concept of hell is supported by the earliest first century Christian writings. Scripture is no guide here, at all.
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 09:02 am
@Dave Allen,
Dave Allen;72062 wrote:
If scripture is any guide - possibly.

Lucky for us the only evidence in it's favour is purely anecdotal, highly contentious even between those who claim to adhere to it and generally counter-intuitive and suspect, eh?


If his account is true, then god imposes on humans a "infinite punishment" for some minor "finite sin", this makes no sense to me, but I am not god and I hope he is as kind and just as finite me.

To burn and torment a person forever in a lake of fire, for a minor misunderstanding would make god worse in my eyes than the most depraved human psychopath. Heck I hope I am not blaspheming the old guy.

I am busy watching the tennis in the UK (spelling?) IF Wiese is correct all these people might burn in his hell , because they are not fundamental church goers. I see their happy faces enjoying an out door event, and cant rap my tiny brain how anyone could believe this nonsense

If God does sends people to hell like he suggests then God is not a fair or righteuos judge, is he?

After all his kind of god, exposed Bill Weise a fervent follower to unspeakable horror, for what puropse I might ask, only the most radical fundamental Christian believes this type of ultimate scenario for the unbeliever

This God seems more like Satan than God dont you think?
 
Dave Allen
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 09:09 am
@Alan McDougall,
Well I don't believe in God - so I really concieve of him as benign or satanic.

But if we were to take the bible as a guide to his nature - he comes across as malevolent as much as he does benign.

The fundamentalist with his torturous vision has as much to go on (if not more) as those who stress that God is love and take a liberal view.

It's all down to personal interpretation, of course, if you like that sort of thing.
 
xris
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 09:42 am
@Dave Allen,
Armageddon is not exactly a jolly jape for hose who dont receive the Eucharist.Those who worship the beast and dont receive the Eucharist are to be cast into the everlasting fires of sulphur.How do we know what worshipping the beast means.Hardly a story to calm your mind when facing death.Find it in the scriptures where it denies this hell for the non believer.
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 10:37 am
@KaseiJin,
KaseiJin;72074 wrote:
Don't worry Alan, no such concept of hell is supported by the earliest first century Christian writings. Scripture is no guide here, at all.


Thanks but I really don't fear this type of thing, my near death experience is enough to tell me it is nonsense

You seem more informed than I on matters of comparative religion the Book of Revelations was nearly left of the Christian was it not?. It reads more like a computer horror game for kids to play. It seems to me to be the fantasies of a sick old man in a cave in the island of Patmos

Peace and light to you KaseiJin
 
KaseiJin
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 07:53 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;72127 wrote:

. . . the Book of Revelations was nearly left of the Christian was it not?.


Just a quicky here. It would be better, actually, to word it as, 'the book of Revlations was nearly not added to the canon, wasn't it?'

And yes, that is pretty much the case, up to a certain point--of course, since it did make it. At the same time, the model that that work appears to make use of, was used by a number of authors who produced apocryphal material, and so is nothing special or new, really. It is hardly likely that the apostle John is the author of that work; perhaps John the elder, or some unknown.
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 08:39 pm
@KaseiJin,
KaseiJin;72273 wrote:
Just a quicky here. It would be better, actually, to word it as, 'the book of Revlations was nearly not added to the canon, wasn't it?'

And yes, that is pretty much the case, up to a certain point--of course, since it did make it. At the same time, the model that that work appears to make use of, was used by a number of authors who produced apocryphal material, and so is nothing special or new, really. It is hardly likely that the apostle John is the author of that work; perhaps John the elder, or some unknown.


I am sorry I key in slowly and my mind outpaces my fingers at times, it should have read "the Book of Revelation was almost left out of the Christian bible" or canon.
 
Smiley451
 
Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 10:51 pm
@Alan McDougall,
I used to be a strong Christian, now I'm agnostic. While I was a christian, I always assumed hell would be how this story says it is. Not to the exact same words, of course, but I just assumed that it would be worse than anything we could imagine.
Sometimes when I felt driven to "fight for God", it was out of a sudden realization that I would go to hell and suffer forever if I didn't fight for God. After a while this really started to feel similar to a lot of dictators and very evil people that history has informed us of. "If you don't do what I say, you'll regret it".
Christians say that they are selfless, and that they live to give glory to God. I think they've fooled themselves. Because the Christian religion would not exist if it weren't for the idea of hell. Christians only strive for righteousness because they're scared of going to hell. In reality, Christianity is a very selfish religion, very hypocritical of itself. Often times the only reason christians do their Godly deeds is out of fear.

We all know this, of course, but I thought it would be good to lay that out before this next part.

Now, we say that if there was a God so cruel, we wouldn't want to follow him. However, we wouldn't really have a choice would we? If the christian God existed, and the Bible was a true account of Him, we would have no choice in the matter. It would be foolish of us not to follow him, because if we didn't, then would go to hell.
The idea of hell isn't enough to scare me or you to into converting to christianity. My point is just that it's a little... moronic?... of us to say that we wouldn't follow a God so cruel. Because if we truly believed that God existed and was in fact that cruel, we would certainly follow him. We would do whatever we could to escape hell.
Or rather, I know I would; and I'm assuming most other agnostic/atheists would, too.
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 11:13 pm
@Smiley451,
Smiley451;73272 wrote:
I used to be a strong Christian, now I'm agnostic. While I was a christian, I always assumed hell would be how this story says it is. Not to the exact same words, of course, but I just assumed that it would be worse than anything we could imagine.
Sometimes when I felt driven to "fight for God", it was out of a sudden realization that I would go to hell and suffer forever if I didn't fight for God. After a while this really started to feel similar to a lot of dictators and very evil people that history has informed us of. "If you don't do what I say, you'll regret it".
Christians say that they are selfless, and that they live to give glory to God. I think they've fooled themselves. Because the Christian religion would not exist if it weren't for the idea of hell. Christians only strive for righteousness because they're scared of going to hell. In reality, Christianity is a very selfish religion, very hypocritical of itself. Often times the only reason christians do their Godly deeds is out of fear.

We all know this, of course, but I thought it would be good to lay that out before this next part.

Now, we say that if there was a God so cruel, we wouldn't want to follow him. However, we wouldn't really have a choice would we? If the christian God existed, and the Bible was a true account of Him, we would have no choice in the matter. It would be foolish of us not to follow him, because if we didn't, then would go to hell.
The idea of hell isn't enough to scare me or you to into converting to christianity. My point is just that it's a little... moronic?... of us to say that we wouldn't follow a God so cruel. Because if we truly believed that God existed and was in fact that cruel, we would certainly follow him. We would do whatever we could to escape hell.
Or rather, I know I would; and I'm assuming most other agnostic/atheists would, too.


I started this thread, I believe in God not in any religion. I had a near death experience and I saw a type of hell, it is more a separation from God than a place of eternal torment

I really suggest you reconnect with a new belief in God a God who is not religious but a God of unconditional love a God of grace.
 
Smiley451
 
Reply Sun 28 Jun, 2009 11:35 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;73275 wrote:
I started this thread, I believe in God not in any religion. I had a near death experience and I saw a type of hell, it is more a separation from God than a place of eternal torment

I really suggest you reconnect with a new belief in God a God who is not religious but a God of unconditional love a God of grace.

I think I would if some event(s) were to happen to me, leading me to that conclusion. I can't exactly just tell myself to believe in some kind of God and then follow that belief with true passion.
As for a God of unconditional love and grace; I'm still struggling with that. I haven't witnessed anything horrible in my life, but I realize that so many people have witnessed many things in their lives that they see as horrible. Maybe God doesn't think those things are so bad, but these people do. Maybe God just lets those things happen to these people, regardless of how horrible those things are. Maybe things just happen without any sort of coordination, and we see them as bad.

Religion is very confusing to me, and I always love advice and input on it, so please, share your knowledge. You seem like quite a smart person.
 
 

 
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