Recreational use of drugs (legal and illegal)

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xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 07:18 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
Then you have no problem with a drug test to receive social assistance?
What about a waist measurement, non smoker, non drinker, can he afford contraceptives?then he dont need assistance.OHH his nose is dripping,what planet are you from zog..COME ON ANSWER MY QUESTIONS..WHAT ABOUT SMOKING AND DRINKING?
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 07:32 am
@xris,
xris;61912 wrote:
What about a waist measurement, non smoker, non drinker, can he afford contraceptives?then he dont need assistance.OHH his nose is dripping,what planet are you from zog..COME ON ANSWER MY QUESTIONS..WHAT ABOUT SMOKING AND DRINKING?


So you want to criminalize smoking and drinking?
 
xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 07:38 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
So you want to criminalize smoking and drinking?
I asked you, now answer, if you dare.
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 07:58 am
@xris,
xris;61905 wrote:
Do you consider smoking, drinking and shooting a self harming pastime?


Shooting yes, the other two no.
 
xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:10 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
Shooting yes, the other two no.
Smoking the past time of the middle class business man, the drug of the masses.It causes more deaths..400,000... in America every year more than dope cocaine,alcohol,heroin, murder, suicide motor accidents fires PUT TOGETHER.....it cost the American economy 45 billion dollars a year.
Now my little feathered friend who abuses the tax payer more a few dope puffers or your average Joe smoker?
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:18 am
@xris,
xris;61924 wrote:
Smoking the past time of the middle class business man, the drug of the masses.It causes more deaths..400,000... in America every year more than dope cocaine,alcohol,heroin, murder, suicide motor accidents fires PUT TOGETHER.....it cost the American economy 45 billion dollars a year.
Now my little feathered friend who abuses the tax payer more a few dope puffers or your average Joe smoker?


So you are saying that one unjustness excuses another, smoking is legal so marijuana should also be, there is murder, so that justifies my murder?
 
xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:32 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
So you are saying that one unjustness excuses another, smoking is legal so marijuana should also be, there is murder, so that justifies my murder?
No my friend it is you that is accusing the dope smoker of abusing the tax payer and recommending he takes a drug test before he receives benefits.With that in mind should the smoker receive benefits? should he be targeted as a drug taker? should he contribute more in taxes as he is drain on amenities?When you consider smoking it is more addictive than heroine more dangerous than any other drug ,why do we spend so much effort and money on criminilizing drugs? Dont you get it yet ? Its basic economics.We spend more on combating drugs and criminilizing them than if we legalised them.Its the height of stupidity treating the most serious drug with immunity while criminalizing the least offensive.
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:47 am
@xris,
xris;61928 wrote:
No my friend it is you that is accusing the dope smoker of abusing the tax payer and recommending he takes a drug test before he receives benefits.With that in mind should the smoker receive benefits? should he be targeted as a drug taker? should he contribute more in taxes as he is drain on amenities?When you consider smoking it is more addictive than heroine more dangerous than any other drug ,why do we spend so much effort and money on criminilizing drugs? Dont you get it yet ? Its basic economics.We spend more on combating drugs and criminilizing them than if we legalised them.Its the height of stupidity treating the most serious drug with immunity while criminalizing the least offensive.


We do not spend more money combating and criminalizing drugs than it would cost society to make up for the loss in productivity from it. I am for self-reliance, which does include the right to self-harm. You are for collectivism (and you have it), which means that we are all sitting in the same boat, so self-harm is harm to others. Unless you wish to legalize harm to others, you can't have it both ways.
Why do you think there a motorcycle-helmet laws? Because if someone cracks their dome, us others have to pay for patching him up. I am for medical care, but not for socialism.

I am all for criminalizing smoking and alcohol. Even more, I am for a return to self-reliance and libertarianism, which includes the right to self-harm. But you can't have it both ways.
 
gojo1978
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:49 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
So you are saying that one unjustness excuses another, smoking is legal so marijuana should also be, there is murder, so that justifies my murder?


I know laws in the US very from state to state, but from recollection, there weren't too many where murder was legal, last time I checked. That is another nonsense 'argument'.

Anyway, apart from the fact that smoking marijuana is NOT an "unjustness" (:perplexed:), it's not a question of excusing each other. All that's being sought, if you want to look at it that way, is consistency in law. While tobacco and alcohol are legal, and drugs, especially marijuana, are not, that is wildly inconsistent policy making and undermines the law as a whole.
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 08:57 am
@gojo1978,
gojo1978;61933 wrote:
it's not a question of excusing each other. All that's being sought, if you want to look at it that way, is consistency in law. While tobacco and alcohol are legal, and drugs, especially marijuana, are not, that is wildly inconsistent policy making and undermines the law as a whole.


That's exactly what that means. Another law is irrelevant to this law. "consistency in law" is not a relevant argument.
 
xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 09:11 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
That's exactly what that means. Another law is irrelevant to this law. "consistency in law" is not a relevant argument.
So what is relevant to you the facts or your inbuilt prejudice to trying a different method of combating drug abuse.No ones advocating the use of drugs, just suggesting the current method of containment is not working and its costing more to combat the problem than to resolve it sensibly.
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 09:31 am
@xris,
xris;61937 wrote:
So what is relevant to you the facts or your inbuilt prejudice to trying a different method of combating drug abuse.No ones advocating the use of drugs, just suggesting the current method of containment is not working and its costing more to combat the problem than to resolve it sensibly.


http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum/lounge/general-discussion/4016-recreational-use-drugs-legal-illegal-17.html#post61932
 
xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 11:31 am
@EmperorNero,
Drug Trafficking Essays and Articles at eNotes dont just pass it by, read this and make a reasonable comment about the costs mentioned and the zero effect of all that tax payers money spent.That money could have cured every drug addict for the next sixty years..It aint working..
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 11:33 am
@xris,
xris;61954 wrote:
Drug Trafficking Essays and Articles at eNotes dont just pass it by, read this and make a reasonable comment about the costs mentioned and the zero effect of all that tax payers money spent.That money could have cured every drug addict for the next sixty years..It aint working..

Even if I acknowledge every cent that could be saved there, the cost of lost productivity is not factored in by legalization proponents.
 
xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 11:45 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
Even if I acknowledge every cent that could be saved there, the cost of lost productivity is not factored in by legalization proponents.
You have not considered have you?you have not had time to consider the implications, your not here to debate or consider alternatives your on a mission.Ive just shown you how much it costs tax payers and you ignore the proof, like it did not exist.This article was not about decriminalizing, it was about the costs of fighting drug trafficking.Now should i have to tell you how much it costs in tax payers money to cope with the fall out from drugs? If you gave ever junkie his fix for free and paid for his health recovery and his living expenses it would not cost as much as it does to fight this scourge.Now take into consideration terrorist obtain their wealth from this illegal traffic , addicts commit 70% of all crime to pay gangsters to supply them....Its a vicious circle that could be broken by just decriminalizing drugs but fools like you wont even consider it.
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 11:53 am
@The Dude phil phil,
Au contraire, I'm here solely to consider alternatives. Responding to your posts mainly keeps me from doing that. Wink
I was responding to the costs of fighting drug trafficking. That might be true, though it is probably shamelessly overblown as everything on this topic, but you can't just ignore the costs to society. Druggies cost us a lot, and because of socialism, us others have to pay that.
 
xris
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 11:57 am
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
Au contraire, I'm here solely to consider alternatives. Responding to your posts mainly keeps me from doing that. Wink
I was responding to the costs of fighting drug trafficking. That might be true, though it is probably shamelessly overblown as everything on this topic, but you can't just ignore the costs to society. Druggies cost us a lot, and because of socialism, us others have to pay that.
The costs of fighting drug trafficking is pronounced by government..now show me the figures that tax payers pay because of drug addicts addiction?the figure you are so concerned about, you must know it,you moan about it enough.
 
gojo1978
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 12:04 pm
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
Even if I acknowledge every cent that could be saved there, the cost of lost productivity is not factored in by legalization proponents.


Your "lost productivity" (I feel dirty just typing that) argument doesn't exactly go hand-in-hand with your previously espoused arguments in the name of freedom.

If someone wants to sit around and get stoned rather than working, that's up to them. Seems like a perfectly sensible, not to mention valid, choice.


Emperor Nero, have you ever been wrong about anything?
 
EmperorNero
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 12:08 pm
@xris,
xris;61964 wrote:
The costs of fighting drug trafficking is pronounced by government..now show me the figures that tax payers pay because of drug addicts addiction?the figure you are so concerned about, you must know it,you moan about it enough.


Nobody has counted that up, as it is usually left out. It's a giant cost that will follow marijuana legalization.
 
gojo1978
 
Reply Fri 8 May, 2009 12:11 pm
@EmperorNero,
EmperorNero wrote:
Au contraire, I'm here solely to consider alternatives. Responding to your posts mainly keeps me from doing that. Wink
I was responding to the costs of fighting drug trafficking. That might be true, though it is probably shamelessly overblown as everything on this topic, but you can't just ignore the costs to society. Druggies cost us a lot, and because of socialism, us others have to pay that.


You clearly have ZERO idea what socialism is.

Are you seriously trying to assert that a country where you are thrown into the gutter and left to die because you have no money is a socialist system?

Are you seriously trying to assert that a country where it is legal to blow someone's head off with a .44 Magnum in defense of private property is a socialist system? Are you? Seriously?

I'm now beginning to suspect you're just a joker. Are you genuinely THAT ill-informed?
 
 

 
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