I take it you do not buy my previous post indicating the metaphysical nature of self-sacrifice
Even with your view of this heroic act of the said solider, do you deny that it was his will that moved him into the path of danger, if not, then how does he deserve any credit. According to you, he did not will it so.
Self preservation is a context, guided by the brain, sub consciously, but it is lost in the translation to the ego in which the true self preservation is, when actions occur. Actions reflect the ego, self interest, just as we've been trying to get at the whole time here.
If it is instinct it is an automatic response, and belongs to species.
I know you do not intend to but you are indicating some excercise of will here.
You said that you do not buy anything metaphysical, but, is not compassion metaphyscial?
Context here can only mean situtational, and in this situtation the instinct for self-preservation is natural, that is why someone else did not jump on the grenade. The question then remains, how did this young solider overcome this instinct for self-preservation, by what means?
Good question boagie. I'm going to have to suggest though that there is no answer that could be put into words. It is a transcendent moment, at the risk of going all metaphysical on ya'll.
In some situations everything vanishes, time stops, and everything seems to happen at exactly the same moment . . . and everything is completely clear. Only afterwards can you think, "What in the HELL was I thinking," and then you almost barf because of the adrenaline dump.
That's not true -- some instincts (like blinking) are present across many species, and others (like startle myoclonus) are present only in individuals." quote
:)Because a trait is present across species does not indicate the it is not a quality of the given species of humanity. Myoclonus, really Aedes, it a bloody affliction, something anyone of our species could fall victum to.
"Will need not be synonymous with reason here. Besides, all I'm doing is indicating heterogeneity in one's impulsive response to a situation. Jumping on a grenade isn't an instinct -- it's an impulse that is influenced by different instincts as well as other unconscious or subconscious factors." quote
I never said jumping on a grenade was an instinct, what I did say was those who did not jump on the grenade were obeying the instinct of self-preservation, and I asked you how this young chap overcame that instinct, by what means?
"Why do you think police and military academies train soldiers using first person shooter video games? It's specifically because people generally have a strong inhibition against harming others, which results in the commonly described phenomenon of 'freezing' when one needs to pull the trigger. So they use these games to dehumanize the situation so that they can overcome this inhibition." quote
:)So are you indicating that our young hero was desensitized, dehumanized to jump on that grenade? He probably went through the same training that the other soliders went though, why could they not overcome the instinct for self-survival, it just does not hold up for situtions like this. What about the situtation in general of people scarificing their lives for another, sometime complete strangers.
"Our impulses and even our instincts have a great deal of plasticity, and there are myriad other factors that can influence a spot decision. Will may be part of it, but reason certainly isn't." quote
:)Your argument is not at all convincing, but if what you indicate here be true, then the solider does not deserve any credit whatsoever. What instinct might you be talking about that might compel a young man to jump on a grenade?
"No. Compassion is emotional when it is something you feel, and it is social when it is something you express."
Why do you think police and military academies train soldiers using first person shooter video games? It's specifically because people generally have a strong inhibition against harming others, which results in the commonly described phenomenon of 'freezing' when one needs to pull the trigger. So they use these games to dehumanize the situation so that they can overcome this inhibition.
Personally, I think that video games (in particular FPS's) have less to do with de-sensitizing humans to violence and more to do with training hand-eye coordination and fast-twitch muscle response, or reflexes.
You ought to read the pediatric scientific literature on the subject, then. I have. Very eye-opening. Unambiguous correlations between exposure to video game violence and violent behavior.
"That's what I can't stand . . . you've seen the ads: Drugs are bad, why do you think they call it dope, this is your brain, this is your brain on drugs . . . and the next commercial is: (sings) This Bud's for you . . . c'mon everybody, let's all be hypocritical bastards!"
You might add Aedes, that it is also off topic, is not the topic conscious human behaviour? We all know there are subconscious functional processes, but again, it is off topic. Ruthless where are you, this is painful!!