Does anyone believe in U.F.O.'s

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Krumple
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 06:19 am
@xris,
xris;170328 wrote:
You are dismissing something because of a conceived idea. I did not say they where aliens. I made an observation on the strangeness of their apparition and made a suggestion. You cant dismiss them as easily as you would wish. When large groups of people isolated from each other, make the same report, is that group hallucination through some type of telepathy?

Why would you dismiss them because you don't understand their technology or their motives. I can recall a certain captain Cook being ignored by a tribe on the beach because his boat was so alien to them , their subconscious just blotted out the boats existence. I have heard from so many close friends of incredible sightings they have experienced, I would have to admit, nearly all my friends are delusional and prone to the most amazing hallucinations.


I am not against the idea. I think it would be great that there were aliens visiting earth, even if it was a bad purpose. But there are just far too many cases where it was fraud. So many people have come out about so many details saying they were hoaxes. Like crop circles. The original farmers who claimed their farms were being effected by alien crafts, revealed that they were the ones who created them. There have been dozens of accounts where people wrote books about their abduction stories and then recanted them later. The enthusiasts always like to dismiss it as these people being forced into recanting their stories. Which is possible but if it were me, and I really had an abduction story, and someone threatened my life to not talk about it. I would rather put my life in jeopardy than keep quiet about it. Why? Because the truth would reveal itself and I think truth is much more than the person. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice then you do not value truth. However; if you were lying about your story and someone threatened you, I can understand if they recant because of that.
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 06:50 am
@Krumple,
Krumple;170330 wrote:
I am not against the idea. I think it would be great that there were aliens visiting earth, even if it was a bad purpose. But there are just far too many cases where it was fraud. So many people have come out about so many details saying they were hoaxes. Like crop circles. The original farmers who claimed their farms were being effected by alien crafts, revealed that they were the ones who created them. There have been dozens of accounts where people wrote books about their abduction stories and then recanted them later. The enthusiasts always like to dismiss it as these people being forced into recanting their stories. Which is possible but if it were me, and I really had an abduction story, and someone threatened my life to not talk about it. I would rather put my life in jeopardy than keep quiet about it. Why? Because the truth would reveal itself and I think truth is much more than the person. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice then you do not value truth. However; if you were lying about your story and someone threatened you, I can understand if they recant because of that.
Im not suggesting we should accept it as an alien attention. Im no believer crop circles or the idea that aliens are actually physically removing humans from their beds. You are widening the assumptions, as if they disprove the sightings. The sightings are happening , that is not in question. What is in question, is the ability to explain them. You cant make conclusions from a few nutters making wild claims, compared to the thousands of sightings from reasonable members of the public.

What interests me is who voted abducted?
 
KaseiJin
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 07:19 am
@Pythagorean,
Oh boy...I can't vote (poll lacking fullness). I like to maintain, as much as possible, an image of being a (I'll call it 'healthy') skeptic here. Yes, the term, most unfortunately, is bad--U.F.O. There have been filmed and photographed 'craft-like' flying objects which seem to suggest something of a kind of intelligent operation which (as mentioned somewhere above) though very few (relatively) cannot be explained easily at all. One such visually captured case happened in Japan, with up to a hundred or more viewers.

However, life forms (beings) from elsewhere in the universe can not yet be determined from these . . . as best I know at the moment. I used to be a believer, but am now far more skeptical than not. So, I do believe there have been flying 'craft' sightings which cannot be explained--or haven't been explained (governments can be secretive, you know)--because of the record of them on film, but, I have no reason to yet agree to think (regardless of that movie about what is said to have been happening in the far north of Alaska [was it?]) that there is life as beings from else where in the universe visiting us here on earth in such a secretive, Men In Black fashion.
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 07:39 am
@KaseiJin,
Yes I agree the poll is very vague and requests the true believers to come forth. I wish the abducted would expose themselves for scrutiny. I think it could be someone not taking this seriously. :sarcastic:
 
KaseiJin
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 08:08 am
@Pythagorean,
It might be good to keep in mind too, that one could stretch it on the linguistics angle as well; I am a alien which came to Japan; and Bob Marley (was it?) had his 'I'm a legal alien' song. (and trust me, I do, at times, feel very alien here on this island)
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 08:16 am
@KaseiJin,
I come in peace with a certain apprehension.
 
mark noble
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 10:02 am
@xris,
Hi all,

I've witnessed the remarkable myself, And I've seen some amazing ufo footage. But, I always consider Roswell - Information/disinformation/information/disinformation...My explanation is - "In order to convince just ONE, one must convince them all". Who is seen to have acquired the technology of OTHER BEINGS has the greater strategic Bluff-factor on the potential-weaponry developement front. Nevertheless, I can't imagine this universe (ours) alone.

have a great day.

Mark...
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 10:05 am
@mark noble,
mark noble;170392 wrote:
Hi all,

Nevertheless, I can't imagine this universe (ours) alone.

have a great day.

Mark...


You just may be not trying hard enough. Make an extra effort.
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 10:21 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;170394 wrote:
You just may be not trying hard enough. Make an extra effort.
Have you tried that hard? have you convinced yourself we are alone?
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 10:35 am
@xris,
xris;170397 wrote:
Have you tried that hard? have you convinced yourself we are alone?


I believe neither way. I haven't a clue.
 
mark noble
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 10:40 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;170394 wrote:
You just may be not trying hard enough. Make an extra effort.


Hi Ken,

You really think that life on earth is the only life there is? That is indeed your prerogative. I couldn't care if there is or isn't life beyond earth. But, why do you suggest I try harder to see it the way that you see it - Empty, lonely, vacant, isolated and bereft?

How easily the mindset can be nurtured and governed by such generative thoughts.

No thanks! I like wandering my imagination, socialising with others (real, non-digital others), and enjoying the potential wonders of the realm of everything.

But, I truly sympathise with those who can't.

Thank you Ken, and have a great, if, indeed, isolated, everything, always.

Mark...
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 11:03 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;170399 wrote:
I believe neither way. I haven't a clue.
Well just try a little harder. Most cosmologist agree they are more than possible but not yet found.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 11:45 am
@xris,
xris;170405 wrote:
Well just try a little harder. Most cosmologist agree they are more than possible but not yet found.


Does "more than possible" mean, "probable"? I really would not know.
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 11:51 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;170415 wrote:
Does "more than possible" mean, "probable"? I really would not know.
There is no darkness, only ignorance, light thy candle and it may guide you, probable.
 
lazymon
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 12:34 pm
@Pythagorean,
I have seen a unidentified flying object one night when I was little, but 20 years later I figure it had to have been a hot air balloon and I saw the fire of it floating across the sky.

I do not believe in UFOs but I really do like to think about them, to imagine new space crafts and the possibilities of what they could accomplish. To think about aliens from another planet coming to visit!

If you ever get a chance to pass through Roswell, NM go see the alien museum! It is pretty fascinating to see what humans will do to invent a story. The whole Roswell alien encounter thing was a hoax but a very beautiful one. There is so much art and inspiration that came out of it.

I am open though to the possibility of other intelligent life forms.
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 12:39 pm
@lazymon,
lazymon;170430 wrote:
I have seen a unidentified flying object one night when I was little, but 20 years later I figure it had to have been a hot air balloon and I saw the fire of it floating across the sky.

I do not believe in UFOs but I really do like to think about them, to imagine new space crafts and the possibilities of what they could accomplish. To think about aliens from another planet coming to visit!

If you ever get a chance to pass through Roswell, NM go see the alien museum! It is pretty fascinating to see what humans will do to invent a story. The whole Roswell alien encounter thing was a hoax but a very beautiful one. There is so much art and inspiration that came out of it.

I am open though to the possibility of other intelligent life forms.
Im sorry to have to tell you but you are contradicting yourself. Unidentified , you believe they can be identified, yes? Well do so. I saw a green man with knobs on, he turned out to be an alien, so I believe in aliens..your one event decides the whole issue?:perplexed:
 
lazymon
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 12:42 pm
@xris,
xris;170435 wrote:
Im sorry to have to tell you but you are contradicting yourself. Unidentified , you believe they can be identified, yes? Well do so. I saw a green man with knobs on, he turned out to be an alien, so I believe in aliens..your one event decides the whole issue?:perplexed:


Well I figured that we were talking about space craft from other planets when we say UFOs.
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 12:58 pm
@lazymon,
lazymon;170436 wrote:
Well I figured that we were talking about space craft from other planets when we say UFOs.
Why? and why not? surely your one experience does not disprove them? with that attitude little green aliens exist. Nothing can be decided by one persons experience, surely.
 
lazymon
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 01:07 pm
@Pythagorean,
Oh, well it doesn't disprove that they don't exist but in my mind they don't exist. The closest that I can imagine an Alien is an Alien that isn't your typical green guy with big eyes. The Alien in my mind is more human than anything else. Possibly these aliens know more about the universe than our society and if they are so smart, they most probably started human society in the first place.

They probably genetically altered us humans to be just like them and hid from us the secret of all their knowledge and set up a life for us on this planet. They are the ones who started religion and altered our language so as to slow our development in technology. I come up with all of this just from reading the bible, because the God of the Old testament sounds like a alien to me Smile
 
xris
 
Reply Sat 29 May, 2010 01:12 pm
@lazymon,
lazymon;170449 wrote:
Oh, well it doesn't disprove that they don't exist but in my mind they don't exist. The closest that I can imagine an Alien is an Alien that isn't your typical green guy with big eyes. The Alien in my mind is more human than anything else. Possibly these aliens know more about the universe than our society and if they are so smart, they most probably started human society in the first place.

They probably genetically altered us humans to be just like them and hid from us the secret of all their knowledge and set up a life for us on this planet. They are the ones who started religion and altered our language so as to slow our development in technology. I come up with all of this just from reading the bible, because the God of the Old testament sounds like a alien to me Smile
Sounds like you believe in them, aliens, more than I. I cant speculate to that degree, like you, its not in my nature. Give me the proof and I might consider it, Im not saying your wrong, remember.
 
 

 
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