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Reply Wed 16 Nov, 2005 12:33 pm
The 4x6 I have, from way back when, is a talisman of sorts and represents an important time in my life. The tenets are inspiring and thought provoking and the KJV english is so rich and elegant. Besides, the Scriptures had a great deal to do with my leaving TF, being that it's just plain impossible to reconcile TF's propaganda with the Bible, or any other accepted "faith's" teachings, for that matter. The beat up leather cover and faded, torn pages tell a story that had much to do with who I am today.

Colonel, did you ever go to White Sands Park? When I was little, that was a great place out in the middle of nowhere. Sledding down the snow-white sand dunes was such fun. The only downside was all the sand in my mouth, eyes and crack of my butt.
Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 01:05 am
evanman wrote:
Yes, I can.

It was about Jesus' words to the woman who had been caught in adultery.

Jhn 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

You see he told her not to sin again. berg told us that this was not a sin--yet here we have Jesus telling this woman that it was.

It was this question over if it weren't a sin then why did Jesus call it such/ that I couldn't answer.

I am sorry to dig up an old post. I just thought I'd let you all know that the doctrine that TF teaches about this exact story is that: "She was under the Mosaic Law because Jesus hadn't died yet. So he forgave her because she was sinning. We are living after Jesus death. So we are free from such 'laws'. We are not sinning. To us there is no adultery" Etc etc etc and so on and so forth is so many words.

Then on TF website there is a statement about the Law of Love. It says in order for it not to be adultery, it has to be done in love.

Ummmm... Then why are they justifying the above scripture in that way? All they have to say is that she didn't do it in love. That would be in-line with their teachings. However such consistency cannot be expected from TF.

They can't explain what Jesus said about what comes out of a man defiles him. Can they? That'll be the next one to see.
"Well just was talking about spiritual fornication. You see? It's all in the spirit."

Yawn... Water it down and explain away the Bible... Nice one. Thanks for serving me BS for devotions.
Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 05:31 am
Interestingly enough this woman was not a Jewess, she was a Samaritan.

Even in the days before the Mosaic Law men knew that adultery was a sin.

Abraham offered his wife Sarah to Pharaoh--Pharaoh discovered that Abraham and Sarah were married so he went ape because this would have brought him under judgement.

Jacob tried the same thing--with similar results.

Potiphar's wife wanted to have sex with Joseph, he refused because it was a sin.

After the advent of the Gospel period one of the important issues that the gentile believers had to face was the outlawing of Sexual Immorality (Adultry/fornication).
Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 10:26 am
That is amazing. Evanman, can you get me specific evidence that this woman was a Samaritan? I need evidence like this.

Of course the other stories of adultery that were before the Mosaic Law are good examples too. Thank you for pointing that out. I mean, even the heathen knew adultery was a sin. It's pretty simple.

If someone wants to start a swinger club, please don't do it in the name God - dangerous stuff...
Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 03:11 pm
Sorry, I got mixed up--that one was not the Samaritan woman, the Samaritan woman was the one who had had five husbands and was simply co-habiting with another--this is also another example of Jesus pointing out the error in someone's way of living!

(John Chapter 4).

Then we have the words of Jesus Christ recorded after His resurrection:

Re 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Re 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

Re 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The word translated here into English as "Whoremongers" is the Greek word "pornois", which, amongst other things, means "a debauchee (libertine):--fornicator". These are the words of Jesus Christ to John the Apostle as recorded in the Revelation. These were recorded in around 90 A.D., some 60 years or so AFTER His ressurrection. So this is contrary to Berg's teaching that the anti-sexual immorality verses in the Bible were simply the bias of the Apostles, particularly Paul!

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