Did really mean to you say a majority of people? If so, are you sure you have your facts straight and could we see your proof?

What was the title of the last Kiddie Viddie you watched?

Though I personally would not show my little girl these vids also, if the cult is currupt why should i currupt my child with that crap.

WalkerJ wrote:

Did really mean to you say a majority of people? If so, are you sure you have your facts straight and could we see your proof?

You still haven't answered this question.

WalkerJ wrote:

What was the title of the last Kiddie Viddie you watched?

You still haven't answered this question either.

Willow, in your quest for justice (or whatever it is you do as a cult-buster), you cannot base your actions on bias and hyperbole.

willow the wip wrote:

Though I personally would not show my little girl these vids also, if the cult is currupt why should i currupt my child with that crap.

I, also, do not show my children those videos. But I do so primarily because they evoke negative feelings in me.

Willow and evanman, you both seem to believe the scripture that says "A corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit." You believe that the Family's productions are "bad fruit". Do you also believe that you can kill a tree by taking away its fruit?

Cults have a highly effective system of behavior modification. The goal of this system is to change a members' old beliefs and patterns of behavior and to replace them with new ones as defined by the group. Old beliefs and patterns of behavior are defined as irrelevant or evil and must be eliminated or suppressed. Members get positive feedback for conforming to the group's beliefs and behaviors and negative feedback for old beliefs and behavior. Good behavior demonstrating an understanding and acceptance of the group's beliefs, and compliance are rewarded while questioning, expressing doubts or criticizing are met with disapproval redress and possible rejection. The church leaders so terrorize the members that they believe they have failed God when they fail to measure up to the leader's expectations.

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The N.C.C is very performance oriented. They use statistics to evaluate both individual and group performance. Weekly stats are taken for almost everything - number of visitors, attendance, those missing discipling times, contribution, number of potential recruits etc. Praise and recognition are the main rewards given to those who perform well on these stats. Those who perform poorly are rebuked and accused of being lazy, unspiritual and sinful. Guilt is usually used to get people to improve on their stats performance.

Peer pressure is very intense. A member's relationships with their peers is threatened wherever they fail to learn or display the new behaviors. They are required to imitate their disciplers who imitate their disciplers who must imitate the leader's behavior. Ultimately what happens is that people simply acquiesce, affirm and act as if they do understand and accept the new ideology even though they still harbor doubts and confusion. The result is a split personality with the real individual safely hid behind the scenes and the fake group mask displayed publicly. People's basic personality types are drastically changed in conformity to the group demands to the detriment of their psychological well being. A psychological study done in 1986 among 900 members of the I.C.O.C in Boston showed conclusively that indeed psychological manipulation was going on in this movement. The results of this study were published in Flavil Yeakly's book The Discipling Dilemma. Current reports from hundreds of ex-members indicate that this practise is still going on in the I.C.O.C

What Happens to People Who Leave Cults and Sects?

James Lewis study of former NRM members who left groups by three routes:

* Own volition>
* Voluntary exit counseling
* Involuntary exitc counseling

Lewis concludes:

* People who leave NRMs involuntarily do suffer a mental disorder found in DSMIII

I spent approximately the first 20 minutes of the session taking a history, getting some basic information about her experience and what some of her issues were. After 10 years of involvement, Jane left the group on her own after learning of abuse that went on in the group that was so shocking to her, that it over-rode her previous programming enough for her to leave the group. Because she had not received counseling initially, she spent the first year away from the group in a state of confusion that is typical of people who leave cults. After about a year, she was fortunate enough to make contact with a support group of former cult members and through that, was able to attend a conference on cults, where she began to learn about the techniques that cults use to control people.

If we are lucky the groups we join may help us achieve or maintain some level of sobriety. However, in return, we may pay with the loss of our individualism, personality, self-identity and our ability to re-establish our place in the “real worldâ€

We should take poisoned fruit off the grocer's shelves to protect the consumers.

Any thing that come`s from the Family is what i would discribe as Arsenic in Drinking Water.

Their whole org is nothing but poisen.

Why drink it.

evanman wrote:

We should take poisoned fruit off the grocer's shelves to protect the consumers.

So really, then, your ultimate interest is in the consumer? Veggie Tales, Cherub Wings, it's really all the same to them, you know.

willow the wip wrote:

Any thing that come`s from the Family is what i would discribe as Arsenic in Drinking Water.

Their whole org is nothing but poisen.

Why drink it.

I see nothing in these two statements but hyperbole and bias.

I do not consider myself to be a Christian and yet, from my viewpoint, the content of the Family's recent productions contain nothing that your average Christian would not embrace. Where, then, is the poison?

Or is it only poison because it doesn't jive with your prefered flavor of Christianity? Would you protest as much if a group of Christians from your local church wrote, sung and performed identical songs to those on the KVs?

What do you believe is the underlying 'poisonous' message of these videos that thousands of Christians worldwide are not catching?

So are you trying to say that because their women don't "keep silence in the church" (among other things) that their doctrine, hence their children's videos, are poisoned?

What all of this tells me is that you don't agree with some of their doctrines, and yet, you have chosen to call all of their doctrines it poison.

Let me, also, give you a few examples.

The Family teaches that "God is Love". I take it you believe this is to be a truth.
The Family teaches that "Jesus is the only way to salvation". Assuming you are a Protestant Christian, you believe this, too.
The Family teaches that "Jesus will return to Earth to establish His Kingdom". I assume you accept this also.

If so, then either you believe in poisonous doctrines, too, or not all of what the Family teaches is poison.

What I'm getting at with all of this is that if you attack the Family's productions from the angle of "it's all poison", then they are fully justified in their claim that they are the victims of religious persecution.

Taking it a step further: I tend to think it wouldn't really be of much benefit to anyone if people got the networks to stop broadcasting these videos.

TFI is the poison!

I disagree. UCB most probably pays TFI for airing these shows. As long as they keep making money, they are going to be around.

I really doubt that when the news is out that UCB will want the publicity--
"Christian TV Channel Broadcasts Sex-Cult's Videos"!

Do what?