I would not rely on Wilkpedia it is not a reliable reference source.
It is not the idea that was bad it was the misinterpretation by certain individuals that you refer to as hippies.
They continue to misinterpret.
Father Berg gave a great deal of people hope where before they had none.
TFI has undergone many reforms and continues to do so.
You can go back & think about some of the famous conquerors of the World who are now considered evil monsters & the worst villains the World has ever known, & it's all because their side lost & the other side wrote the history! You never hear a good thing about Napoleon any more, whereas there was a time when Napoleon & even Hitler were considered saviours of Europe!
You should try and look at TFI objectively and with an open mind and not listen to hostile apostates who are being controlled by the vandari.

Best wishes

Max

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I would not rely on Wilkpedia it is not a reliable reference source.
It is not the idea that was bad it was the misinterpretation by certain individuals that you refer to as hippies.
They continue to misinterpret.
Father Berg gave a great deal of people hope where before they had none.
TFI has undergone many reforms and continues to do so.
You can go back & think about some of the famous conquerors of the World who are now considered evil monsters & the worst villains the World has ever known, & it's all because their side lost & the other side wrote the history! You never hear a good thing about Napoleon any more, whereas there was a time when Napoleon & even Hitler were considered saviours of Europe!
You should try and look at TFI objectively and with an open mind and not listen to hostile apostates who are being controlled by the vandari.

Best wishes

Max

So, peter, it's true then, you've given your soul over to "Father" Berg and all his little demons? I'm crushed.

God Bless America and You and that is form my heart

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God Bless America and You and that is form my heart

Max, you often contradict Berg's teachings. Berg generally commented that God should damn America and all Americans.

We all make mistakes and the Reverend Mo was not alone in doing so.
That said I stand by my blessings.
Love & God Bless You and America the land of the brave.
Max aka Guest

We all make mistakes and the Reverend Mo was not alone in doing so.

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We all make mistakes and the Reverend Mo was not alone in doing so.

Were his incestuous relationships a simple "mistake"?

besides, when I was in CoG/TF, everything Mos said was God's words.

he was God's "mouthpiece" you know!

Not a bad web site you have except It could do with a makeover

Achieck, I do not understand why you refer to me as Peter?
My name is not Peter but Max which is a Jewish name and since my grandmother was Jewish I suppose that make’s sense.

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Achieck, I do not understand why you refer to me as Peter?
My name is not Peter but Max which is a Jewish name and since my grandmother was Jewish I suppose that make’s sense.

I'm not Achieck, but I understand why she refers to you as Peter. That is the name of Zerby's consort, the #2 leader of TFI. Many of the things you write from a businessman's perspective show the same type of compromised ethical reasoning and groundless naivete as King Peter Kelly, aka, Peter Smith, aka Peter Amsterdam.

It's hard to believe you have Jewish heritage if you have truly read the repugnant MLs where Berg's anti-semitism and racism is running rampant and conclude that "the Reverend made a few mistakes." Jew-bashing is a choice based in fear and ignorance. Berg wasn't simply anti-Zionist. He hated Jews and villified them.

Yes, I knew that Berg claimed Jewish heritage and bragged about it in the early days. Berg claimed all kinds of things that have turned out to be untrue. Just as an FYI, Zerby, the current leader, is also virulently anti-semitic and won't hesitate to use Jew-bashing as a tactic when she wants to impress an anti-Zionist audience.

I have nothing against capitalism. I'm working on making my own fortune in the stock market and expect to retire comfortably well off. In business, you can play by the rules and do well, or you can bend and break the rules and have a lousy reputation where fewer and fewer people want to do you favors or cut you some slack. To me, unethical business practices include misrepresenting who you are and what you do. This is what TFI does with regard to Family Care Foundation. Berg trained up Zerby & Kelly in how to be successful grifters. Since the mid-1990s and the spread of the internet, it's become increasingly difficult for them to make it in the confidence business when their personal histories are only a mouse-click away.

Peter is not a particularly good businessman, btw, so I wouldn't take it as a big compliment when Achieck references you this way. You are, however, Peter's idea for a wet dream--a healthy, ambitious young man who wants to turn TFI into a financial power. What a concept. Peter's been working on that angle for close to 20 years now without much success. Peter knows it would make a huge difference if TFI could legitimize itself and start moving its business affairs above ground. As long as TFI operates underground and off the grid, the organization can never establish itself as a financial power the way Scientology or the Unification Church have done.

You should do a little risk assessment before setting out to make TFI into a Fortune 500 charity organization. There is a very high probability that second generation survivors will bring a civil suit against TFI-WS and TFI-FCF in the next five to ten years. If filed in the US, the suit will be similar to the ones brought against the Catholic Church to the tune of millions of dollars in damages.

Something else you might want to do is some basic math on the membership numbers that are published yearly in the Family News. When you add up the numbers and look at who's around by age cohort, you'll see there aren't nearly enough working-age adults to carry the organization on much longer in the face of the current attrition rate.

As to membership numbers, well since you claim that TFI are secretive who can really say?

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As to membership numbers, well since you claim that TFI are secretive who can really say?

TFI is secretive, but they publish a large number of internal documents, many of which can be accessed through this website. Membership statistics are published every year in a newsletter that goes to tithing members. If you go to the "statistics" page on this website and break out the numbers, a simple regression line will tell you what's happening.

Yes, Scientology has lent TFI its legal expertise, but whether they continue to do so is debatable. I prefer to see documents or statements made by TFI leadership before I accept a claim about this group as accurate. TFI needs a lot more than hot-shot legal advice to gain legitimacy. It would help if the offspring of the founders and their followers didn't go around killing people or claiming they were raped as small children.

Did you know Rick isn't the only second generation member who has murdered a first gen member? (Check out LaMattery Resource.) What's up with these murderous TFI offsping? Or for that matter, all the TFI offpring who suicide or have drug addiction & alcoholism issues? Just a bunch of weaklings who couldn't take boot camp in the Lord's Army, eh?

Or could there be a social pathology in the group that's being smoothed over and covered up by Clair Borowick's outright lies? As Josef Goebbels pointed out, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Speaking of lies, did you know that TFI teaches lying to people outside the group as a matter of doctrine? (See "Deceivers Yet True.") People within TFI conintue to accept the WS propaganda because their access to information and ability to engage in critical thinking is restricted by group discipline. What's your excuse, given your frequent access to this website and the numerous challenges you've been given to engage critical thinking? I don't accept your moral relativism regarding TFI as a sign of open mindedness and fairness; I see it as sloppy, self-interested rationalization.