It is not Jesus, it is the words that were spoke. It matters not who spoke them. The issue of his martyrdom is why we remember them. Did he exist? Well somebody did or the words wouldn't exist, would they? The words spoke a truth that could not be denied in their core meaning. So if we can not validate the man, the words mean nothing? How so very absurd that is.

Now let's look at it logically. If a man existed no matter what his name was, but in keeping with the thread let's call him Jesus. Now let's try to put together the 18 years there is no record of him. What could he have been doing in those 18 years? Perhaps gathering information and writing all that he learned. It is also known he was a very wise man and for what is written to have actually happen to a man of wisdom, makes no sense whatsoever. If he were indeed that wise he would have left the book in a place of safe keeping knowing he who found it would indeed know how to understand the message within it. It would never be understood in those times in which it was written as it was too safely hidden, or so he thought anyway.

Now suppose he who found this book, used it for their own benefit and adopted it as their own who was not so wise. Such is depicted in the search of the HOLY GRAIL and EXCALIBUR and interpreted it wrongly and used the message therein selfishly as to acquire power for himself as being something he wasn't but the words, in there truth, would offer him fame. As the wise man who wrote the book would know unless it be found by an honorable man who would interpret there words wisely, it would surely cause the death of he not so honorable. But the words were so true they would live long after.

Now put that bee in your bonnet and let it buzz around for a little while.

William

"Yet Judaism say all he was was a nice young Jewish boy of no importance."

Bit of a strawman isn't it?

A Rabbi is not "Judaism".

Even if a Rabbi was "Judaism" - you're inferring that he thought Jesus was of no import - because those aren't his actual words. "Unremarkable" might just mean "mundane" in the context of discussing whether there was anything supernatural or not about Jesus.

So that's wrong.

It's probably wrong twice.

"He came to his own people and his people knew him not"

Aside from his disciples, early converts and followers, building into a significant cult, growing beyond a cult, etc, etc...

Just like every other successful prophet in history.

it was considered a mystery-detective-fiction novel.

Or poorly written cod-fantasy.

Of course, Dave. If that is how you interpreted it; it works for you, then who is it that should question that? I won't!

William

Of course, Dave. If that is how you interpreted it; it works for you...

Lol Willaim, you know I never did read that book. It looked a load of rubbish.

I thought the Davinci Code was fiction?

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Lol Dave!............

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What book is William talking about then?