William,

... a little clarification here if you please:

Your topic title assumes the Jew is untouchable. I don't think Jewish people are more or less 'untouchable' than any other nationality and/or religion. What makes you assume they are?

Thanks

. The victors in WWII established a Jewish state there, because 2 million Jewish refugees needed a place to go and neither France, Britain, nor the USA wanted them..... .

Now that is a rather profound statement. Considering the suffering, why?

This statement is IMO, key in justifying the next statement. It seems to me what is important here is the two houses that are used that make understanding and communication difficult when discussing the reality of the world we live in and the Jews involvement in that reality. There is always the "secular Jew" and all to often that often leads to anti-semitism when the conversation gets "sticky"; and on the other hand it ventures off into esoteric antiquity when the religious justification is discussed. Such as the above statement "things that are "influenced by Judiasm are not Judiasm itself". IMO, that statement is the crux of my thread. The Jews have an enormous influence in the world we live in, especially the United States from the Movies we watch, what is on the television, the clothes we where, the money in our pocket, So, yes it is important to question who they are? And no one seems to know, except the Jew. It seems they have an answer to everything, at least seems to me, in all cases any real culpability they might have in the chaos that is the world we live in, leads to esoteria, or anti-semitism supported by their "victimization". It seems also to me an inigma as to a people with such power could ever be a victim of anything, because of this "victim" status offers justification for them to be highly "secretive" as they function behind the scenes in anonymity for fear of being further victimized rendering them "untouchable". Common sense tells me no one with this much power should be so "unknown". Let's face it this world is in pathetic shape. and for a people to proclaim to be "The Chosen", must be accountable in some respect. Wouldn't you think? I do not want this thread to venture off in eiher one of those areas of esoteria of anti-semitism. The seems to be a major disconnect here somewhere. I am an expert at adding 2 and 2. And something about the Jew just does not add up. In all respect, help me connect the dots.

For your consideration.
William

It all sounds a bit "protocols of the elders of Zion" to me.

If this is the crux issue, is this actually thread for the politics section?

Their influence is far more broad than just politics.

Are you implying that Jews have disproportionate influence? That's certainly been an accusation we've had to bear, generally without merit, for centuries.

William,

I regret to tell you that this mythological influence of the Jew is one of the oldest and most insidious lies in the history of Europe, and it's led to an unconscionable amount of suffering.

Jews in Eastern Europe, where they were most populous, were nearly always impoverished and ghettoized.

In a few select places, esp Italy and Germany, Jews entered banking because "usury" was forbidden by the Church. In other words, Christians were forbidden from "moneylending" and this was a niche that Jews were able to "exploit". Medieval and early modern universities were ALL denominational Christian, and the only area of study open to Jews was medicine.

Beyond that, Jews were treated horrendously throughout the entire history of Christian Europe and the only reason for this myth of their influence is the chronic necessity of using them as a scapegoat.

I don't take offense to your words, because I believe you mean them innocently, but they need to be critically evaluated.

If there is a frailty in human nature, the Jew will exploit it and make a profit from it. They are entitled to it, after all, they are the chosen. The Jews have been using this to survive. They don't work, they don't sweat or do labor; but because of what they do, man works his ass off and sweats like a mule and because of the shortage of gold get little for his efforts.

Hm....
Jewish Nobel Prize laureates -

Yep, look at all of that exploitation. Look at that lack of work.

Yes, and here I am, the Jew.. and I will exploit a weakness in you which is obviously your lack of character and the ability to maintain an honest debate [I noted earlier that I sensed where "this was going"..] and I will simply flag your post.

On a serious note though.. this is one of the things Adorno has mentioned in his treatise about anti-semitism; but with a little twist.

Adorno does mention that Jews exploit; but they exploit their host culture in a natural way and without limits; that they follow their host culture ideologically and not impulsively due to their isolation (this was more true in pre-war europe than it is today); this goes into the depths of what exactly ideology is and how it influences and is influence by culture; but the point being that ideology proper is not necessarily to the word and to the letter. Doctrine is not the seminal stream from which minds are born but rather is a supporting pillar for practices already in place.

However for the alien, for one which only knows the doctrine and not the culture; for one which has learned primarily by observation and not interaction, a more radical approach is taken and therefore 'exploited'. But in this case it is the culture itself and the ideology itself which is flawed to an extent. It is the way of life (be it Capitalism or Communism) which is simply followed to its letter without any knowledge of limits but merely to be zealous about it.. all with the hope of assimilation and integration.

Jewish people are not evil; western culture is not either inherently evil. However the combination of isolating the Jewish people because they are not "Like us" will only lead to a more stringent and more severe analysis of western discourse which will be adapted perhaps very pedantically and very honestly - perhaps even mindlessly - to adapt and to assimilate.

If Jews are fervent capitalists (well, some are) then it is not the Judaic aspect of such which makes them so, but rather the western capitalistic element (and this applies to other minorities and immigrants - this phenomenon is not only present among Jews but also against any foreign people. Only that this rhetoric has been chewed upon again and again for the past two thousand years) which says -- but only interactively and discursively -- that capitalism must be done moralistically - but what is Moralistic Capitalism? from whence these morals? - in such a case one must have already been intimately familiar with western morality, which can only be true about those of the west in the first place; for the outsider these morals are derived directly from capitalism, with capitalism being the root discourse and all morals being derived from it. The same thing can be applied to other cultures and ideologies which are simply another historiographical and discursive layer built upon general western 'standards' by which are not necessarily overridden by a New Ideology.

Relevating this to the topic of our thread: The fact that Judaism is not a factor in modern issues is because Judaism is precisely just a dummy element which is the foreign element, but not inherelty effective upon those practioners, members (or descendants thereof) who are influential. To be influential in a society one must be familiar with it, one must know how to exploit it, one must know its strengths and weaknesses and one must realize the greater picture. Anyone successful, anyone who has managed to make something of him/herself has always done this by exploitation of the ideology, by personal adaptation, by switching of roles, by forming a subconsious dialectic which makes the person both slave and bondsman at once. Only that those who are more aware and are more trained and skilled at the culture; those who have a sense for it, will realize and become affected by this as their first exposure would have been mainly moralistic and humanistic as opposed to being a kind of struggle; or in other words; the westerner's adaptation of capitalism - initially and subsequently - is merely a reflection of a reflection, but a reflection of the self. It is the only ideology, the only way of life, and something one must make peace with and reconcile. It is not a trade or a profession; it is not necessarily a kind of parochialism in a certain field whcih only applies to a limited set of objects but something which forms discourse as known to him. For the foreigner however it is indeed merely a trade.

Just understand that the next time you accuse a Jew (or any other minority or foreign people) of being "Greedy" and "Exploitative", you are essentially criticizing both your inherently contradictory culture which is exploitative in yourself, as well as your inability to decice and cope with it, thereby placing a scapegoat as the antithesis of something which has never been thetical in the first place.