I feel that we should discuss the meaning of the TLP as a whole. The pieces must be fit together. What is his general intention? His picture theory of language is as much anti-anti-metaphysics as it is anti-metaphysics. And the TLP is itself metaphysical. As he describes logic, math, aesthetics, and ethics as transcendental. TLP is metaphysics done right. But in a style so terse that it's hard to see this. In my opinion.

I am quite willing to argue that Wittgenstein is the square root of Hegel, if not the cube root. This is a mathematical metaphor of course, but I know exactly what I mean by it.

Here is a free download, where it can be viewed as a whole. This is the one I have been quoting from. Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus by Ludwig Wittgenstein - Project Gutenberg


This is from Hegel's Logic...

My God, Hegel was a plagiarist! What a discovery!

Thus the aim of the book is to draw a limit to thought, or rather--not
to thought, but to the expression of thoughts: for in order to be able
to draw a limit to thought, we should have to find both sides of the
limit thinkable (i.e. we should have to be able to think what cannot be
thought).


It will therefore only be in language that the limit can be drawn, and
what lies on the other side of the limit will simply be nonsense.


I do not wish to judge how far my efforts coincide with those of other
philosophers. Indeed, what I have written here makes no claim to novelty
in detail, and the reason why I give no sources is that it is a matter
of indifference to me whether the thoughts that I have had have been
anticipated by someone else.

Don't be silly. Wittgenstein came after Hegel.


Try to be serious, K....this is great philosophy we are talking about.

No wonder I have been missing all of this. I got the sequence wrong! (It is really hard to be serious among all this silliness).

Call it silliness, if you want. I chose to understand the great philosophers. I like philosophy. I'm sorry if you don't understand...

Put away your vanity, K, & give it some thought. It's quite clear to me, if not to you.

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Hello Recon. Keep up the good work. Your choice was a good one and you are very proficient at it, if I might add. :a-ok:

William

My pleasure and you're welcome. If only beauty could have been more of a part, huh? Hell, we cut of her arms, put snakes in her hair, and the woman closest to christ was a whore. Yep, you can say that is indeed beastly. After all mankind is just an animal, right?

Later,
William

Truly, my Satan, thou art but a dunce,
And dost not know the garment from the man;
Every harlot was a virgin once,
Nor canst thou ever change Kate into Nan.

Tho' thou art worship'd by the names divine
Of Jesus and Jehovah, thou art still
The Son of Morn in weary Night's decline,
The lost traveller's dream under the hill.

It's interesting this whore/virgin symbolism. His mother is blue virgin. His other Mary was the reformed prostitute, or so the story goes. One might say that a virgin hides in the core of the most promiscous whore, as the transcendental is immaculate by definition. Blake wrote a great poem around theses themes.

For Blake, all accusation and finger-pointing was of the Devil. Therefore much of the religion of his day was of the Devil. Christ was Forgiveness, and also Energy, the Eternal Delight.

Ah, Reconstructo, you are reading the McGuiness translation? I don't wish to be translation picky, but do you have a favorite translation of the Bible?

What of the numbers before the propositions?

I like that you like the TLP.