You've made plenty of sweeping categorical statements about muslims and their supposed violent beliefs in the past. You once asked me (and have many times asked others) to justify this claim with evidence, so here goes:



















Now, in light of this clear 'evidence', I would hope that yourself and perhaps the moderating staff could review the FAQ, under the "bigotry and stereotyping" heading, posted here on this forum, which states:



You could have been more prudent in many of your judgmental posts and simply written "extremist muslims", rather than "muslims", but you didn't. And you've failed to do this not once, or a couple times, but in many instances.

These categorical statements are just ignorant, and should not be tolerated here at a philosophy forum. I don't know if they're the result of bigotry or not, but they do violate the rules, regardless. You also stated in a couple of different posts quite clearly that you are on a "crusade" against dogmatism, and are wary of Islam, in particular. Well, the religion forums can only work here if you and your ilk are kept out of them, and reasonable discussions held. :brickwall:

I am ignoring xris from here on in, if his style of discussion matures I will chat, but currently it's little more than a silly game. He makes wild unsupported statements, then when he's proven wrong, he changes topic and the cycle restarts.

I think he feels that by denouncing any stereotypes he would be somehow converting to islam and betraying all that he currently values. Some one can be factually correct about islam and not be a Muslim, it's very possible.

Taking statements out of context is no more than blatant properganda on your part. If you wish to make a complaint against my behaviour or attitude then be precise and act in a formal manner. I would say to you put up or shut up.

Wow, I guess there's no convincing you, even with your own words. The posts were quoted correctly, I simply highlighted the problematic comments for brevity, but anyone can simply click the link next to your name to get the full context on each post. But it's not needed anyway, when you are making categorical statements like "muslims are..." "muslims believe..." "muslims think...", in order to negatively characterize well over a billion people who belong to the same faith tradition.

These statements violate forum rules, and nobody seems to care. That's great. You will unfortunately be the 2nd person on this forum to enter my ignore list. :a-ok: Good day.

These statements violate forum rules, and nobody seems to care.

We know and we do.

First, you are correct that there is a double standard, and this is a separate problem that we need to overcome. On the other hand, groups that are underrepresented in our discussion, and that don't have a voice, do require a bit more protection.

Xris, I've questioned and contested your statements in many posts, in many threads, over many months, and it's all there for you to see if you do a search. Rather than distracting this whole discussion with this, why don't we work on operating from a reasonable common ground (that I know you share to some degree) in which we can critically discuss things without even seeming bigoted.

Im prepared to try and moderate my opinions but when confronted with a constant barrage of accusations without the necessary examination, I refuse to stand down.

You've been provided with a tremendous amount of data, perspective, and experience that you fail to match except by quoting extremist websites and highly selective quotations from a religious document that you've never studied. The issue isn't about moderating your opinions, it's about being an intellectually inquisitive adult and having a bit of humility about what you think you understand.

Now either get this back on topic or I'll put the thread to rest.

Well if it has to be a blinkered and one sided view that you advocate then get on with it. The website i gave you, was giving an honest view of Jihad from a muslim perspective, if that does not satisfy your objections, nothing will, so be my guest close the thread.Offensive Jihad, Futuhat and Islamic Conquests You tell me why you think this is an extreme site, it refers to muslim web sites for its source and quotes scriptures, are the scriptures misquoted?

This is an anti-Islam website, as stated on the home page:

"This site aims to provide a growing number of quotes - preferably & mainly from islamic sites and sources - that contradict many popular claims of muslims, e.g. on the alleged tolerance, peacefulness or women-friendliness of Islam."

This site does not pretend to understand the sources it is quoting nor does it explain the context of the quotes that are being presented. You're not serious about having an intellectual discussion about Islam.

Try finding a balanced view on Islam that does not put its own opinion into the debate. I was asked to find a site that gave a source to my claims, there are many that are a darned sight more extreme in their views and opinions from both sides of the debate, than this one. I thought it might be a good chance for you dispute the details of these claims. Is it interpretation your concern or the scriptures quoted.

If we point to countries that give us concern on the execution of Islam we are told they are not true examples. If we listen to Islamic rhetoric from preachers we are told they extremists. If we read scriptures that appear to encourage forced reversion, we are told its wrongly interpreted. You tell me how we can get a true impression of Islam.

Are you a member of Ummah forum?