I'm not going anywhere with this are you paranoid? Did i make any comment that inferred your attention? I made the comment that the Indian swastika revolved the opposite way and the Nazis turned a symbol of peace into a symbol of horror.
Nazi Swastika or Ancient Symbol?

I had heard this but was unsure. I also know that the nazi's used many religious symbols in their medals and awards. Also, it is important to point out that the Nazi's felt that religious items could be used as a weapon against the people of the world. Hitler felt that he was to find the "weapons of God" in order to bring the chaos to and end.

There was something seriously wrong with that man.

Back to the topic at hand. I was reading the Qu'ran this weekend and had forgotten how beautiful some of the phrasing is. I find it sad that, like Hitler, the Jihad extremists are using Islam as a weapon instead of a way of peace as it was intended.

I have no doubt that there are many wonderful words and scripts in the Koran. Without bringing the wrath of others, i have, opted not to criticise the Koran, as it appears beyond reproach. I no longer wish to be classified as a bigoted oaf, without those claims being proven or questioned. I have seen moderators involved in these debates call me names and even close threads with no chance of reply. Islam is a closed subject to me as it is obviously protected by higher powers than i can muster. Thanks xris.

I understand your frustration and I can see where your coming from definitely. I wonder though, can you see nothing beautiful about Islam? I am asking a direct question and will take all of the consequences of your reply.

Sorry Icon i just wrote a long speech and it was not very nice. What can i say that wont create bad feelings, i honestly dont know if i can overlook certain aspects of Islam and admire the good parts.

I can remember a time when i listened to script being sung by a young Muslim, im not sure what its called , it reduced me to tears listening to the beauty of it. I have no problem with beauty wherever it flowers, but i cant abide dogmatic authority that gives men of hate permission to kill.

But surely you can see that this is not all men. Christians have done the same for centuries. As have Jews. Countries do this still and claim religion.

"In God We Trust" as we bomb the world from a far. Surely you must admit that all aspects of life can be good or evil merely by how we perceive it. It all depends on which side of the fence we are sitting I suppose but this is why I choose to sit at the end of the fence, not choosing sides, not having to as my section isn't finished yet.

If its christians claiming authority to give dogmatic beliefs that kill thousands of children ,jews finding reasons to occupy others lands,then i will speak against it. Im not fussy who I criticise but I refuse to accept the face of innocence when it smiles at me.

We are all evil.

Sorry Icon i just wrote a long speech and it was not very nice. What can i say that wont create bad feelings, i honestly dont know if i can overlook certain aspects of Islam and admire the good parts.

I can remember a time when i listened to script being sung by a young Muslim, im not sure what its called , it reduced me to tears listening to the beauty of it. I have no problem with beauty wherever it flowers, but i cant abide dogmatic authority that gives men of hate permission to kill.

what you would would have heard was the qur'an in arabic. i read and study it in english, but i also love to listen to it in arabic. i have a theory that the sound will bypass all the verbal blocks in the mind and the real higher meaning will go straight through to the heart.

why do you think it is these words could have affected you so much? it is quite commong for a listener to be brought to tears, whether they understand arabic or not.

I suppose it was the love of his god being expressed in words. I have no problem with love or beauty, its the nasty dogmatic things in life that inspire me to anger. Believe it or not I have made friends with Muslims and we have had a very good understanding. My findings are, the singer not the song has usually made me come to that understanding.