In regard to how Islam appears: isn't it true that the Muslim world has experienced a huge amount of change in the last century? And that this pervasive upheaval and the efforts of Muslims to cope with it shapes what we see?
Below is a paragraph from an Islamic website, I am not trying to put down Islam but to understand this great faith better
In Muslim-majority nations, people are forced to confess Islamic faith and behave in one voice in religion; but they forget that the rulers cannot fill the heart with genuine faith. I believe that faith chosen freely at the individual level without coercion and without forced conformity is the genuine faith.
In a world where the hearts with freely chosen faith, not by forced compliance, pervade, the true religious spirit comes alive to establish an ideal society by free choice of the people. This is proven by Muslim history in the first 6 centuries.
Muslims helped Jews to create their Golden Age and liberate Christians from tyranny of Roman church. Muslims philosophy and science promoted the Enlightenment and Renaissance of the Europe. We also created the experimental science. In those days, we educated anyone who came our way without force-feeding our faith. Now we have governments that have taken control of our body claiming to send our "meat and blood" to God while Muslims have to beg from non-Muslim societies for their daily bread to keep their body alive.
Prophet Mohammed struggled to establish a free society. Similarly, Muslims must struggle hard peacefully to establish a free society where no totalitarian government, no Imams, no predominant group control us or decide for us. Everyone is equal. If any one wants to be a believer, let him/her be. If anyone wants to be an apostate let him/her be safe to live the life of an apostate.
So-called Islamic government is myth created by power-hungry people to control Muslim mind and body. There was no such thing as Islamic government. Government is only a means to execute the will of people. The individual members of the government can have Islamic values and faith. Prophet Mohammed ruled as a democratically elected ruler following the invitation by the people of Medina.
He never forced a decision upon his community even when he believed that majority decision on a particular secular matter was a mistake as happened in the case of the disaster of Uhud war. A minority including him wanted to fortify the Medina and fight the Meccan forces. But he agreed to go along with the wishes of the majority to fight the Koreish in the open instead of from fortified Medina even though the strategy of the majority was wrong in his opinion. So, Islam demands Democracy, not tyranny by ullamahs, kings, self-appointed presidents, and military
Muslims must struggle hard peacefully to establish a free society where no totalitarian government, no Imams, no predominant group control us or decide for us. Everyone is equal. If any one wants to be a believer, let him/her be. If anyone wants to be an apostate let him/her be safe to live the life of an apostate.
I am not trying to put down Islam but to understand this great faith better
There are roughly 50 countries in Africa. Which one has legal slavery based on Islamic law? The last one to abolish it was Mauritania.
That's not to deny that slavery happens illegally in Africa, but some of the more famous current examples include Cote d'Ivoire and Sierra Leone which are NOT Muslim countries.
this area of the forum is for discussion and learning, it was created for the purpose of dispelling ignorance. i think you are in the wrong place. and to make my point, the ten commandments are not part of the qur'an. the story of moses is certainly there and the commandments are mentioned as having been given to abraham for the children of israel, but obviously 'keep holy the sabbath' would be impossible for there is no sabbath in islam.
the reason a muslim woman is forbidden to marry a non-muslim man is that she most likely will abandon her religion in favor of her husband. i am sure most western women will disagree with this, but men have a stronger source of will and do not need the support of their wives to continue their devotional practices, whereas women will not be so independent (or stubborn if you like that term better) that they can follow through with their commitment to their religion when their husband has no relation to it. i agree this is the tendency of men and women and i dont mind.
Alan, even Wikipedia does a better job than that. You're reading anti-Muslim propaganda and pro-Muslim propaganda without reading any basic scholarship or well-referenced summary material.
And this statement, by the way, is a historical FACT (except for the Roman Church part):
The authority i speak of is the authority of Mohamed.
Mauritania as you point out only banned slavery under international pressure in 1980.
KSA and the Yemen in 1962
slavery is not condemned in the koran
There is much I don't like about Islam, as it is interpreted my some modern Moslem's. Such as strapping bombs onto teenagers and telling them to blow up themselves and others and by this murderous act become martyrs in heaven where 70 virgins will be given to them by God there for their pleasure.
Are modern day Christians and Jews equally guilty?
If we judge religions by their most ugly and extreme believers, then none of them deserves anything but condemnation by mankind.
So should we do the same for criminals? Ignore their crimes and just focus on the good things they have done in their lives?
Oh please -- you know the difference.
Humans are actors with agency and decisionmaking capacity.
Religions are not.
So should we do the same for criminals? Ignore their crimes and just focus on the good things they have done in their lives? Don't send anyone to jail for wrong doings just remember the good things they have done?
I think the point is you can't judge the whole cart on one or a few bad apples, such as, would you judge the whole of the white race by what Nazi extremists do?
Is it being white that causes nazi extremists? What is the catalyst for them being prejudice?
But all religions are made by humans. So why would they not carry with them the same effect?
So if I made a club of serial killers and we held weekly meetings and drummed up a bible of murder it would be all fine and dandy but it is only the actions of the members which should be scrutinized? Seriously?
So are all croquet mallets, whether you use them to play croquet or to bludgeon someone.
Religion does not DO anything. People do things. People justify good and bad actions in all sorts of ways. So what, Albert Rosenberg was an atheists but Joseph Goebbels was a Catholic -- does it really matter considering they both committed the same crimes?
There IS the concept of an inherently criminal organization, with the Nazi SS forces being the most famous in modernity. But that is a very rare case and one that cannot in good conscience be applied to any of the world's major religious groups. The mafia is not inherently illegal or criminal -- but many of its activities are. Islam is not inherently criminal or murderous, nor is Christianity, even though there are violent criminals in both groups. The Manson family was a different story -- it existed only for crime and went on a rampage of it.