On a side note there was just a new story about a young girl who supposedly converted to Christianity and fled to Florida to live with some christian family she met over the net. Her family she says are devout Muslim and she feared if she was forced to return home that her parents would harm her. There is going to be a hearing on what should be the fate of the girl since there has been abuse case in the past dealing with her parents that might rule in favor of the christian family keeping the young girl.
Prior to this there was another story about a girl who was killed by her Muslim father for refusing to wear her hijab.
Fundamental or not it shows the lack of respect and expresses that the religion is more important than the individual. I feel that sharia law will only be implemented into western countries because it can be purchased by wealthy Muslims lobbying law makers and not because it is some great system.
As far as the modesty thing goes, it still doesn't make any sense to me. Why should modesty matter?
yes, the stories that make the news are the exception rather than the rule, and you can see how western ideals are also misrepresented by the media stories. i am not saying the press is doing something wrong, but you have to realize what you are reading is not an example of islam being practiced correctly.
islam believes the religion is more important than the individual, there is no contesting that-that means a muslim's religion is more important to him than he is to himself, not that his religion is more important than other individuals. you are familiar with abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son on the altar? here the judaic/ibrahimic/islamic stories coincide. this is a horrific parable to our senses, and it is so often wrongly interpreted.
there is nowhere in islam that would condone a man killing his daughter for not wearing a hijab. there is nothing i am aware of that would condone parents hurting their children for leaving islam. i am aware that it is suggested contact be broken, however.
i dont believe shariah law can be imported into countries that are not islamic nations due to the fact that the penalties are not the same. civil law can coincide, for instance divorce/marriage/inheritance laws, but not criminal law. in the uk they are saying you can choose whether or not to accept a different law system. does this mean a thief will say 'i want to be tried in a shariah court' when he knows he will get his hand cut off if he is found guilty? who gets to choose which court the trial takes place in, the accused or the victim?
we need to get our act together, all humanity, in treating convicted people to be rehabilitated rather than punished. the object of law and penalty should be to help citizens who have become a disturbance and danger to society to learn how to take a part in that society and make a meaningful contribution to it. condemn shariah if you want, but there has not yet been any proper system of law in the world that i know.
as for modesty, i dont know how much things have changed since i was a young girl, so excuse me if i am out of touch! but when i was young, there was a code of behavior in america that would set apart those girls who were more likely to be compliant to the wishes of the young boys and those who were not. it included not only clothes but manner of speech and all behavior. modesty would be found in a girl who would not want to be physically involved with any and every young boy.
today, even though there is no stigma or judgment involved in society as to a girl's reputation or morals, less of a double standard as it were, it is still a good way of demonstrating exactly where preferences lie. modesty is a clue to character at best. i agree that it can be deceptive, but if a woman is modest she will most likely not be promiscuous. it will ward of unwanted contact if the male is at all aware.
islam does condemn social contact between men and women outside of marriage or family, and that is difficult for western people to imagine having come so far away from such a concept.
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Didymos Thomas;88494 wrote:
While it's probably irrelevant in modern times: would marriage to a Zoroastrian be permissible?
it isnt irrelevant, the zoroastrian community exists today. in india they are known as parsi. but they are forbidden to marry anyone outside their religion, which is probably one of the reasons they are becoming extinct. i am pretty sure conversion is not accepted, either. and no, a muslim would not be permitted to marry a zoroastrian.
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This would mean that muslim women ought to decline any date offers or get togethers from non-muslim men right?
absolutely. unless she is willing to give up her religion, and that is very difficult for a muslim who has been raised in a family that is practicing as opposed to simply born muslim.
here in india there are muslims who do not pray or fast or read the qur'an. but even among them is the understanding that a muslim woman is to marry a muslim man. in fact, the other communities may also get involved and take vigilante action. her family may disown her for life, and in other countries and societies where the family is still in high regard that can be too much to expect of anyone.