First, thank you for sharing. This is one post it has been a pleasure to parse as you and I, as it has been known to have been said, are on the same wave-length. Perhaps a bit of fine tuning may be in order, but, by and large, we do see "I" to "I" and perhaps one day "eye" to "eye".
Greetings to all...
I believe in what I call "God", but my view does not correspond to any particular religion, nor am I a member of any religion.
Welcome to the middle of the road, for most just don't stand there; too much traffic and they are so afraid they may get run over, ha! So they stand on one side of the other. Again, welcome, I can use the company.
First off, I use the word "God" for ease in communications, but the word, in itself, is a bit misleading. I don't conceptualize God as being male or female, nor having any physical traits in common with humanity.
Some are not satisfied with that. Nope! They are looking for some "body", this God guy. You know the one who sits on a throne and rules everything. It seems they are not satisfied with the way he is doing things. They just can't understand it. Humph!!
Physically, I believe God is a non-corporeal energy entity exists in our present reality in a quantum state. It would be safe to say that I think God or God's mind is 'everywhere' in our physical universe; omnipresent.
Quantum state, huh? You said a mouthful then. Gets kinda confusing when one attempts tie a neat ribbon around "IT ALL". Einstein and Bohr really started something there, among others. It rang Bell's bell. Ha! Those guys created a dilemma they are still grappling with today. Almost forgot there was this guy Rosen who was involved in that too. Oh, well live and learn as they say. But there is this little snag in it all, we die, huh? Yep, can't figure that one out, but we die trying. One of these days we will come to our senses on that one. I wonder how long it will take before all finally see the "light".
Emotionally, I believe God is benevolent and altruistic toward Humanity. I do not believe God is angry, vengeful, stern, or resentful. I believe that God genuinely cares about Humanity and wants to to be happy.
You know ITL, that's not what "the book" says and EVERYTHING is suppose to go by the book. I've heard that somewhere before. Guttenberg really started something there too. Too many editors involve there for me. I think you are right about the fact that God genuinely cares. I really do. You know we do seem to get along better when all are happy and content. But that has never happened. Well, not yet anyway, but we do have our days don't we. If we could only make those "happy days" last just a little be longer, huh?
I believe God has a "hands-off" approach to humanity, similar to Deism, though not the same thing.
Wow! Are you going to confuse a lot of people with that one. "Hands off". Does God have hands? Sure he does; their at the ends of "our arms". People will get confused with that one too. You see God has paws and hooves too and we are still trying to figure that one out. Some even had thumbs on their feet, too. God, this can get complicated? Ha!
I believe that this is our world to do with as we will.
Uh oh! Man is that a topic for another thread. Talk about starting an argument, whew! "Will"; there's a bunch of stuff involved there and if if it is free or not. I think if all were allowed, all would me more that all to willing to participate in that endeavor. But there are costs you know. What a pity. It seems to me will has a price on it's head; and many just can seem to afford to go there. Well, so much for it being free. Nice gesture though. Humph!!!
I don't think that God favors any nation, race, people, or religion, nor that God is going to physically intervene to stop things from happening.
You'll have a hard time convincing some countries of that. You know that country that has as it's motto IN GOD WE TRUST. Hmmm, yeah and all others pay cash. That just seems to have come to be some kind of joke. Again, sounds good, doesn't it. Damn! Just who is the God guy?
I believe God may (key word) nudge things a tiny little bit from time to time, but I think for the most part God allows humanity's world to exist on it's own.
Yeah, I agree and he does. All the time. It's just too many are so concerned with themselves to notice. You know, that EGO thing and all. As you, I notice his "handy" work all the time, everyday as a matter of a fact; but try and explaining that to others. No easy task, I can assure you. Again, thanks for being here. I feel I have made some progress though, but not so much that I can't use a little help.
Many theists say, "Everything happens for a reason" with the implication that all events happen because God either wills them to occur or personally sanctions their occurrence. -- Not only do I disagree, but I also find this sort of fatalism disturbing and, if I may be so bold, quite mindless. Most people who espouse this belief have rarely thought it all the way through. It's sort of a mantra that people repeat without actually thinking about.
Damn, I wish I had sad that, ha! But I am so very glad you did. If I might elaborate a little, if you don't mind. There is a reason to it all but most are so caught up in it they can't or won't see the forest for the trees. Too complicated as indicated by some of the above. Many think we "have control" and we don't, not by any stretch of the imagination but we think we do. There is something missing; a link or something like that. Our thinking we can control everything is the problem as I see it. (See list). You are new and I know you might be asking "What List". If you wish, I will dig it up and offer it for your observation. It's around her somewhere. If you examine my post in response to "Do I believe in God" you will find it there, I am sure of that for it is there. I would like to hear what you think of what I have offered there, if you don't mind.
I believe that God manifests in different ways and often speaks through different people. While I definitely do not thing that all religions are the same or have the same basic goals, I do think that God has spoken through many different religious and philosophical persons throughout the history of the world. I believe that God can speak through anybody, actually, including atheists.
Brilliant and bravo! Well said. One also has to take into consideration this thing we have called "free speech". Even those dead philosophers we scrutinized by the mortal gods of those times just as we are judged today. You really have to be careful in what you say and the words you use and how you use them. They can get you in a heap of trouble. Free speech? It sounds good, huh? Yes, ITL, God does speak through people and sad to say many have, so it is written, become martyrs. One in particular amongst others I could name that has caused much controversy. Let's not get into that now. We could be here all day and then some on that one. I will just say one can't listen for God's words, but if one is in tune, one will "hear" him when He does. I know that from my "personal" experience with Him as I have often said; "he is a friend of mine" and I can't imagine a better one.
Going back to the "hands-off" thing, I think that God has this policy in order to allow Humanity to have free will. I'm sure we could have a whole discussion about that.
Yeah, I agree; but I think I hinted on those limitations imposed on us as to why those discussions are not taking place. We are getting there. This reality can use a lot of improvement and perhaps it is time for a new one. I think we are on the brink of that. I hope so. We will have to wait to see what tomorrow will bring and I always do and eagerly anticipate it's arrival. Many have a hard time crawling out of bed, ha!
I believe that God plays the role of a spiritual teacher who can help us if we choose to ask for that help.
You know, ITL, I think it truly depends on what it is one is asking for that matters. I think most just don't want to be afraid anymore and asking for that which that think will bring happiness into their lives. So many just don't know what "that" is? If they were truly free and unafraid those prayers would be answered in ways they could not imagine as they would then not have to ask for anything as it would be provided for them.
I believe anybody can ask God for help, but there are two caviats: 1) The request must be genuine and humble, 2) One must be willing to do the work involved. Moreover, asking God for "help" is just that - help, not fixing all your problems, making you rich or powerful or popular, or making something you want happen.
Most of what you say here, I agree but it would be tedious to go into all the details that are involve here, so I won't only to respond to what "work" is. Work can be laborsome and for many it is. Much more so than those rewards they receive for the work they do. I contend all have something to offer that can be considered work as they participate in what life has to offer them. I think that is innate in all of us, yet some do take advantage of that and hold at bay those entitlements all should receive to force such laborsome duties. Those who control those who are force to work, never break a sweat or at least one from physical labor. Yet they do sweat; no doubt about it. That's fodder for another post and I won't get into where that sweat comes from now.
I believe requests for God's help and guidance must be generally selfless in nature, except in the case of requests for personal spiritual strength.
I agree, but you are going to have a rough time explaining what "spiritual strength" is to many. What does spiritual mean? Hmmm?
Let's just put that one on the back burner now for the time being.
Things I have no idea about:
1) If God created existence, the world, humanity, etc.
(Nor do I care. I exist; how I came to exist is irrelevent to me.)reality.)
ITL, there are three words I never use in my life: I DON'T CARE! Never. Perhaps I have said them in anger before, but I cannot recall them and if I did, I will wish that I have never used them in any context. Had you said "does not concern me", I would have agreed more as to the above statement you made, heartily.
2) If there is some sort of "afterlife".
(Nor do I care. I exist now and am concerned with this reality.)
Afterlife? Just what is that, precisely? Should all just ignore it because we don't know what it means? Perhaps it is all "just life"; no after? We just don't know what death is? That could be it, huh? What if death is just a part of life, no end. Sincerely, as my signature iterates, if all were not so concerned with death, their life would be so much better. I know. That is how I live my life. Death has never been a concern to me. Never! I thought I was close a couple of times and even then, it was little concern. If others mourn my death, that is a personal problem they have to deal with. I don't concern myself on thinking about losing those close to me and will concern myself with that when that time comes, and not before. Most seem to have a difficult time doing that. There is no future and no one has a crystal ball for once we step into the future, it becomes the now ever so briefly and into the past it goes. I concern myself with the now and focus on that. That is enough for me and comforts me. If I am not mistaken you are living this way too, though you have never expressed it as I did.
Since I have come to have a relationship with God, my life has changed dramatically for the better. However, it's also gotten more difficult too because now I choose to consider what God would have me do in situation instead of just doing whatever I want to do. Still, I find it very gratifying. God has helped me and continues to help me in every aspect of my life.
There is nothing like having a relationship with God and all that entails and what all that does entail as for some do witness it; glimpses of it and are indeed blessed in that respect of one to the other. When that happens is what I call the rapture as one begins to witness the "oneness" of it ALL.
This is my extended take on what God is I'm open to all feedback and question, however, let me stress that I am not here to try to "convert" anybody; my beliefs are my own.
Well, you have mine. I hope you gathered something from it that will enhance your take.