There are many forms of religion; there is more to Heaven, Earth and Underworld than the Abrahamic religions. Science was not slowed down in Egypt, Mesopotania, Persia or India till more western nations conquered those countries.

I don't know if I should laugh or just get angry.

Are serious, or are you just trying to provoke?

maybe 90% of the Earth's population think religion is a good thing the problem is , is that , they don't see the bigger picture that in the end , religion will be Humanities down fall

Why shouldn't women be allowed to "sleep around" just as much as men?

And a lot of women take contraceptive pills because they want to control their period. If you haven't sat with a calender in your lap and tried to figure out if your vacation will be made a lot more difficult, you might not understand this.

And you can't say it have killed more people than all wars.

There's no fertilization when a woman is on the pills. The egg is not where it needs to be!

Sorry for this lousy explanation, but the words you need for discussing this are not hte ones I lean in my English class. I don't think any child should be born unwanted, and therefor the contraceptive pill is a good thing.

I'm targeting all religion, science had a low rate of progression in those time. Where men were ignorant and superstitious of their surrounding.

Mankind only realized that nature was ordered in time of ancient greece thanks to Thales of miletus.

Every since the rise of greek thought mankind saw great progress but yet religion played it's role as a "science".

Think of the geocentric model of the universe, this is a perfect example where the earth was thought to be the center of the universe(solar system) for nearly 1500 years from the time of aristotle and ptolemy till copernacious, kepler and gallieo.

Same goes for the fixity of species, look at evolution in the public arena! When one hears of evolution the first thing it comes to their mind is monkey gives birth to human.. WHY? Is it ignorance ? YES , but what is it motivated by?

Thank you Lily for joining in. I know I am on thin ice here being a man and all. Please understand that. We invented the pill so I do have a right to at least say something in that regard. We the male of the species have really screwed up and I am one of them who will admit to that.



I know you are angry and that is why you made this statement. If you don't mind, I am not going to address the reasons why it is wrong for both sexes to "sleep around". There are just to many of them.

If you don't mind what kind of vacation would that be? One to have more sex. Hell, Lily you don't have to go on vacation to do that. Since I don't have a period, I have no idea of one that is out of control is. Or one that is in control is, ha! Like I said I am on thin ice here. The question is why would a woman have to take a pill to keep here body under control? It would seem she would know her own body and wouldn't have to take pill. Unless all that life was to her is sleeping around and she didn't enjoy anything other than that?

Of course and that is why we are not saying that. We change the name. It's not people anymore, it's a fetus; nothing more that a piece of meat that can be discarded. In that regard we can say it because in that, it doesn't mean as much. Mean as much? Yep, that's what it means alright. An unborn child means nothing; nothing more than a piece of meat. At least now, women can sleep around all they want too. Is that what you are saying Lily?





I understand Lily why we have the pill. Hell, it's easier. The fact is it alters what is so very natural. When a woman's cycle is erratic, that means something is wrong. That is what needs to be addressed and fixed, not create a short cut to dismiss it. If we ignore the real problem by depending on the short cut, the problem only gets worse. We are just covering it up is all. What must be understood here, because of the pill we are having more fun sexually than we have ever had before; if one chooses to think about it that way. Wow!! Whoopee!! Orgasm city! What a life, huh!

Lily, you don't have to apologize. I am not quite sure of what you mean by what you learned in English class though. Perhaps if you would elaborate more on that, thanks.

Wow ikurwa89, that's amazing! Oh, btw, welcome to the forum. Would I be incorrect to assume anyone who would make such a statement would know now, in this so called modern, progressive scientific age, all that is religion and their surroundings to 'target them'? That would be quite an accomplishment I would think and congratulations in knowing all that if my assumption is indeed correct.

That's why it took time for religion to stay out of sciences way. It's like considering a women < man.. Back then it was perfectly normal, that's why it took time for humanity to realize that we are all equal. Religion still manages to intervene a number of times, look at intelligent design, and look at how they respond to stem cell research and cloning.

Is that a fact? Please, what time was that exactly and please be accurately definitively, if you don't mind. Thanks.

I believe it was around 600BC, just google Thales of miletus. He is credited with the first man to actually make sense of his environment becuase he believed that nature was ordered and was not controlled by the God(s).

Please where did Greek thought arise from and which religion are you referring to? There are quite few you know. As far as progress, like the atomic bomb for instance? Perhaps if we knew more of what god is that religion is trying to establish, then we would not have to be "so progressive", huh?

Greek thought was influenced by egyptian science and babylonian science, but having said that, greek thought did give birth to modern mathematics that you and I use every day(look up euclid and logic), they gave birth to modern biology,astronomy and many more sciences because some of the greek philosophers rejected the Gods/religion in order to understand nature better..

How did men respond to these, simple! by killing them. What was the motivation for this act ? (I'll let you think about this)

Look up socrates death, history of irrational numbers or infinity..

Interesting. Who is to say we are not it's center? The universe is from our vantage point a pretty big place. You know that just could be an illusion and it is not a big as it appears to be? Just a thought. You see, that's just it; everyone one can have their own thoughts on the subject. Who is to say who is right? Perhaps if everyone were allowed to be who they universally are, then we might all learn something "universally" in which all could agree. That seems logical to me. Doesn't it you?

Hmmm not we are not at the center of anything, the universe has NO CENTER.. I don't know where your getting these thoughts from.. Just because you believe in something doesn't make it right, the only thing that makes it close to right is something called evidence.

That's what science does, in my opinion science tends to eliminate the need for "i beleive" or "i have faith" in such and such..rather it backs its self up with evidence. I agree with everyone having their own belief, but when it comes to something such as facts, where the only motivation is their ignorance brought up in a specific religion.. then I say, see what religion does.


Ah, heck that's and easy one. That's the closest thing we can compare ourselves to. That was and is the motivation! Nothing else could be find that would explain who "we" are? The ape was close but not plum; there's a link we just can't seem to find there and we are still trying to do that. We could dissect them to figure out what was wrong with us so we had to justify that in saying we were animal too. Get it? We had to evolve from them, where else could we have possibly come from? You know all those craters, there's a rather famous one in Arizona. (I've been to that one twice. A pretty big hole in the ground. Something arrived there, that's for sure). Those might have had something to do with how we all got here? Again, just a thought.

William

And no, it's not a sex vacation that will be ruined. But imagine having your period on a vacation where you spend half the time in a bikin, bathing and lying on the beach. Or any vacation where you don't have water toilets. It takes some serious planning avoid that. And I don't think any woman should have to be limited by the fact that she's a woman. And no, women does not always know when she's supposed to have her period. Most know their body well enough to be able know approximatly when, but sometimes it will suprise you when you're least expecting it. A silent cursing from the rest room followed by the phrase "Hey, does anyone has a tampon? I just got my period" isn't always due to bad planning.

You're not listening. There is no feteus. There's no egg meet sperm when a woman is on the pills, no feteus! Now, listen very carefully. It does not mean that something is wrong when a womans cycle is erratic. It is can be very, very, natural. And there no feteus when women are on the pills.

I would have to look up words like uterus, cervix to explain it properly. Because those aren't words we learn in my English class. (Imagine it though, "Okey, say after me everyone, womb"

Your answer was very long, but I read it all. I think your ignorance when it comes to women and their period is a bit sad.

Why don't women tell their husbands, boyfriends or close male friends about it? It seems as if men have a bit to learn. And to be honest, humans need to have sex, but in our society we can't afford to have as many children as we would have if there was no contraceptives. Maybe the people of today have too much sex, but I don't think they're losing their souls just yet.

Obviously you could not address all I ask of you judging from your so very in depth response. That's ok, I am not here to assume all I have to offer will agree with every one. Btw, if your thirsty, get a cool drink of water. That's about all I can offer from your response. Thanks for trying though.

William

90% don't see the bigger picture? Please North, if you don't mind, what bigger picture is that? Religion and why it is so prevalent is what it is; nothing more than our desire to know what is right. The right thing for us to do. We know we are doing something wrong or there is something wrong with this "little" picture. So how can we imagine a bigger picture from that?

The only way anyone can imagine a bigger picture is to ignore all that is wrong with the little one. In other words many say well that's life and there is nothing we can do about it. That's BS. Yes, there is something we can do about it. Now having said that I will help you and go a step further before you answer the question I asked.

Yes, there is a bigger picture but we will never know what that is unless we understand what is wrong with the little one. This thread is about regrets. Those are things that we have done that we know we should not have done but many will not admit to it. Instead they create excuses for it and rationalize it. Such as the subject I was alluding to. You tried to evade the question and blame 90% of the people because they stupid or something because in their gut they know there is a truth and the little picture is not it.

For those who think they know what a bigger picture is who ignore the little one will only make the little one worse. As far as myself, I have no idea of what the bigger picture is. I know one thing a bigger picture of the little one we have now is one I do not care to see. 90% of all the people can't be all wrong my friend. They are only trying to understand the little picture and if we can do that, we will be able to continue what the artist drew in the first place. Right now it is an abstract because we cannot see all the picture so we try to define it ourselves. Have you seen abstract pictures. Frankly I like beautiful pictures better that I don't have to guess at what they are offering.

Now I'll ask you again what bigger picture is it that you see in your crystal ball?

William

Mankind's greatest regret will be... the birth of A.I. Either through Skynet, or the Matrix, we are f***ed

What would be the greatest regret of mankind ever? Or what would you personally perceive as the greatest regret ever?

to die without knowing and doing the real purpose/use of life. a non-sense living

? ..the many has died a terrible death, when they didn't know the greater purpose of life.
..I don't understand such anology?