"I know you do not get it henry, but there is no objectve experience of life..."
Yeah: I know this. That's why I keep talking about subjective perspective. Even a casual review of our conversation in this thread shows this.
But: the lack of 'objective experience of life' doesn't preclude the objective existence of reality.
"What objective proof do you have of your own existence???"
None: I never claimed I had any. And the question isn't relevant to our discussion. But: to my own, subjective, satisfaction, 'I' exist, choose, and act, in the world.
"If I deny it, can you prove it so I will accept it???"
Bluntly: if I slam you in the head with a shovel, you'd be hard-pressed to deny the existence of 'something' outside yourself. You might choose to interpret this 'something' in a variety of ways but -- again -- after I slam you in the head with a shovel, you'll have a hard time, I think, denying 'something' exists outside yourself.
"I you honestly cannot prove your own existence, then how much more trouble does proving my existence present???"
I see no difficulty in proving, to my satisfaction, you exist.
First: we -- you and me -- are carrying on 'this' conversation. That is: a phenomenon calling itself 'Fido' is engaged with me in this discussion. I know for a fact, by way of self-interrogation, 'you' aren't a figment of 'me'. So: 'you' (whatever you are) exist.
Second: if you were amenable, you could offer me your location. I could travel to you, have lunch or coffee with you, have a face-to-face conversation with you and, for me, this would be further verification of 'you' existing.
"But who can say people in the past existed???"
Using my Grandpap as example: I know he lived. He's dead now (now, history). He no longer exists (at least, not in a form that means anything). And yet I know he once existed.
Again: none of the above is relevant to our conversation.
You assert: "When I die the world dies... Grab a shovel and stay ready to bury yourself..."
Unless I'm wrong: what you're saying is, reality has no objective existence...the world is wholly dependent on 'mind' for its existence...when 'mind' is gone, reality is gone.
I counter: "No: when you die, the world -- as you experience it -- dies with you. I, however, should I outlive you, will continue to be in the world, live in the world.", and, "Even if each of us (all six billion plus) die right now, this second, the world/universe/reality is gonna keep right on ticking away."
That is: the world/reality exists independent of 'mind'.
"What if we say Socrates was as much fiction as Frankenstein???"
You, and anyone, should feel free to do just that. But: if you intend to live in the world in a sane way, you must acknowledge your belief in the fictional nature of Socrates (or the reality of Frankenstein's Creature) won't change facts about either.
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