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I am extremely hesitant to bring this point up, especially around non-believers,(because I think it sets a bad precedent) but through my understanding of the bible, I think eventually everyone is saved; maybe not initially but in the end. I'm not saying there is no Hell, or that no one goes to Hell(I'm not saying there is or they do either), but if they do I do not believe it lasts forever.
And I think that people who don't or won't accept Christianity can be saved because through the circumstances of their lives they may not be in a position to 'truly' hear the calling but through the deeds of their heart, they still live by Gods code. Same with people of other religions.
This is just my personal belief though and I could very well be wrong.
This is probably pretty controversial in the Christian view but I still consider myself to be a Christian and I think there are plenty of places in the bible that bear this out not the least of which would be 1 Timothy 4:10.
I feel like this issue is a sort of hush-hush, just below the surface concept that, IMO, spells itself out throughout scripture.
"Oh I was only seeing how you would react, come on in, the heaven is fine. No one goes to hell these days, not after I realized it was really bad on my part to send people there. It's only used as the broom closet now. Where is Thor? Oh Thor doesn't exist only I do. If it sounds like I am speaking Japanese, it's because I am. You see Japanese is actually the language of heaven. I know you probably would have guess Aramaic or Hebrew, na it's always been Japanese. When you arrive you immediately know how to speak it even if you never heard a single word. But just in case there is a problem, we have the universal translator turned on so that everyone can understand each other. Oh and don't mind those people screaming and crying over there, they are just upset that I wouldn't allow their crippled child in here. They should have read the manual I sent them specifically stating that I don't like physical deformities here."
An infinite punishment for a finite sin (not fair to me)
our beloved Holy Father God of eternal mercy and LOVE
I am extremely hesitant to bring this point up, especially around non-believers,(because I think it sets a bad precedent) but through my understanding of the bible, I think eventually everyone is saved; maybe not initially but in the end. I'm not saying there is no Hell, or that no one goes to Hell(I'm not saying there is or they do either), but if they do I do not believe it lasts forever.
And I think that people who don't or won't accept Christianity can be saved because through the circumstances of their lives they may not be in a position to 'truly' hear the calling but through the deeds of their heart, they still live by Gods code. Same with people of other religions.
This is just my personal belief though and I could very well be wrong.
This is probably pretty controversial in the Christian view but I still consider myself to be a Christian and I think there are plenty of places in the bible that bear this out not the least of which would be 1 Timothy 4:10.
I feel like this issue is a sort of hush-hush, just below the surface concept that, IMO, spells itself out throughout scripture.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Bible is pretty clear that Hell is forever. For example, Revelation 20:10
just for starters this verse says nothing about humans. And the bible does explain that Hell is designed for Satan and his demons. But honestly I could be wrong. Like I said, mine is an opinion not widely embraced by Christians on the whole. But through my understanding of the word of God, it is the conclusion I've come to.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
The preachers who have preached about hellfire and damnation got their ideas from reading the Bible. If they are wrong about hellfire and damnation for unbelievers, the Bible is, at the very least, an extremely misleading book, if not simply a pack of lies.
I never said people do not go to Hell. It's just my opinion that they will eventually be spared if they do.
Revelations 22:3 says "There will no longer be any curse"
and Revelations 15:1 says "Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished."
Meaning there will be a point when the God's wrath is finished.
and 1 Timothy 4:10 says that "...we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers."
Notice how there are 2 groups here: (1) all men (2) believers.
God is the savior of both groups though.
And IMHO I believe group (1) minus the (2)subset(believers may not necessarily mean followers of Jesus per say either) may have to endure some sort of punishment or something but it will certainly end at some point, IMO.
Look again at the quote from Revelation 14 above.
yes, it says they will drink the wine of the wrath of God. But Rev 15:1 clearly states that God's wrath will end. The bottom line is this:
(1) either the many verses that claim that the punishment will go on "forever and ever" or "everlasting" or whatever they say mean exactly that all the verses that I quoted(and many more that support my position) are lies
or
(2) what is meant by "forever and ever" or "everlasting" is like the end of a time or an age or an era as is written in certain translations. Thereby making those verses correct while also maintaining the verses I quoted as correct.
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever [emphasis added]: and they have no rest day nor night, ...
I never said people do not go to Hell. It's just my opinion that they will eventually be spared if they do.
Revelations 22:3 says "There will no longer be any curse"
Chapter 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
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Chapter 22
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
and Revelations 15:1 says "Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished."
Meaning there will be a point when the God's wrath is finished.
and 1 Timothy 4:10 says that "...we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers."
Notice how there are 2 groups here: (1) all men (2) believers.
God is the savior of both groups though.
And IMHO I believe group (1) minus the (2)subset(believers may not necessarily mean followers of Jesus per say either) may have to endure some sort of punishment or something but it will certainly end at some point, IMO.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
that last bit was to represent perfection necessary for approaching, in the pre-Jesus era, though.
The superficiality of the notionQuote:makes it sound distinctly a human idea.I don't like physical deformities here.