My profound problem with TV Evangelists

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Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2009 05:44 am
[CENTER][CENTER]EXCLUSIVE CULTISM BELIEFS BY ALAN
Also TV Evangelists
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This article was born out of 30 years of having to listen to the nonsense put forth by what religious exclusive cults of which there are many. I have recently joined a forum of people who like me who hate this type of dogmatic exclusiveness

To my joy I found that there were open-minded friendly non-exclusive forums on the Internet, who believed my story, welcoming me into their group with a non-judgemental attitude.

I am appalled at the utmost depths of continual nonsense the faith doctrine and other cultic preachers plunge, in an attempt to glorify and exalt mortal man to the level of god, who have the ability to obtain and manipulate anything, for their own selfish purposes.

They also claim that if we do not believe exactly as they do and join them we are doomed to a lost eternity or hell- fire torment forever. How can one ever reconcile this with a God of love?

Their false god must be evil.

"Mere mortal man cannot manipulate God".

These TV preachers believe and claim that they are little gods, and can, therefore, emulate the almighty in his creative work, and bring about any wealth, prosperity or health to themselves by applying so-called non-existent divine spiritual laws.

They also say that the omnipresent divine principal of existence, GOD, is a humanoid like demigod (2m tall & approx. 100kg) who lives on a remote planet somewhere in the universe. Thus they attempt to make GOD into their own image, and not the other way around.

In deep profound frustration I would like to ask them what use would an Omni- god, who is a SPIRIT, have for a body containing eyes, arms, legs?

Our human physical bodies are designed and programmed for survival on planet earth

These shouting screaming TV faith movements, these misguiding preachers would have us believe that faith is an impersonal, force, something like electricity that can be manipulated and utilized for our / their own selfish benefits, to bring about any type of miracle or wealth they desire.

They think they can twist the arm of god and manipulate him by using this force.

The push a person so hard that they have to fall over and then shout God has blessed them by making the comatose
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True faith is simple loving "trust" in a loving higher reality, the cosmic mind we call God, whom, will answer strictly according to sovereign will.

I get very irritated when I hear preachers pontificating about GOD'S character, mind and attributes as well as his infinite attributes (Of which they know almost nothing, just like the rest of us).

They say GOD is this, "does these", "does that" "will do that" "if you do this", and so on and so on. Sadly in real life it simply does not work like that

How can a mere human ever possibly know how an infinitely intelligent Being like GOD will or will not operate?

These cultic preachers, by their own words try to reduce the infinite Omni-capable GOD, who with all his vast resources, to the most colossal failure of existence.

Claiming that throughout his entire infinite vast universe, he is only able to get through to them and redeem their pathetic few puny minute numbers to himself.

So why bring this topic up for debate,many of these men-of-god becomes crooks

Thirty five years ago I became a member of a fundamental Christian peristaltic church. I believed with all my mind, soul might and being that at last I had found a path to truth and a way to please God

Then something that I simply could not reconcile happened, the Pastor who I trusted as a true man of God was found using church money for fraudulent purposes.

To find my perceived truth had become a lie effected me so badly that I ended up in hospital deeply traumatised

Does the forum have any comments on this increasing world wide money making phenomenon

Are there no real moral ethical people left, and where should we look for them?

Not in a church? I think!
 
Dave Allen
 
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2009 06:14 am
@Alan McDougall,
I suspect religion and business have always gone hand in hand.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven" is a statement that most celebrity Christians and heads of Christian authorities have been keen to apply to others, but not to themselves.
 
Fido
 
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2009 11:10 am
@Alan McDougall,
It is smart to turn the devil's weapons of science and technology aginst him... Now if they could just tie him up with the used condoms of fornicators, and tickle him to death chicken feathers our lives would be complete, and our salvations assured...
 
Caroline
 
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2009 05:20 pm
@Alan McDougall,
there are morally ethical people more than i expected
 
Fido
 
Reply Fri 27 Mar, 2009 08:30 pm
@Alan McDougall,
I think it was Cicero, a man who got his name from his nose who coined the word morality as a synonym for Ethics...All moral people are ethical...
 
drifter
 
Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 12:18 pm
@Alan McDougall,
The problem is that the church has not developed to be culturally relevant. The early church was a radical movement of people discovering the message of salvation that Jesus offered. The early church was just a bunch of people meeting together to learn and worship in their homes. Now church has become twisted to be a business and it's purpose has been lost.
Now people searching for truth in God are left confused because the church doesn't reflect the love and fellowship it was intended for, and has been left wide open for people to use it for personal gain and greed.
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 12:41 pm
@drifter,
drifter wrote:
The problem is that the church has not developed to be culturally relevant. The early church was a radical movement of people discovering the message of salvation that Jesus offered. The early church was just a bunch of people meeting together to learn and worship in their homes. Now church has become twisted to be a business and it's purpose has been lost.
Now people searching for truth in God are left confused because the church doesn't reflect the love and fellowship it was intended for, and has been left wide open for people to use it for personal gain and greed.



You are right the early church was a vibrant alive body, not the structured exclusive type of organisations that think that is the church

The real church is a Mystical Body all of have a natural part in this beautiful body of light and love

All this shouting in Church makes my ears ring, God is not deaf, blind and does not have to be continually reminded day and night, his memory is good :bigsmile:


Dave Allen wrote:
I suspect religion and business have always gone hand in hand.

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven" is a statement that most celebrity Christians and heads of Christian authorities have been keen to apply to others, but not to themselves.


Exactly Dave if by giving to the church god will recompense you a hundred fold, why don't they just reverse the process and give all their money to the poor, then they will soon become wealthier than Bill Gates the richest person in the world :perplexed:
 
Fido
 
Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 02:51 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Some one tie a string onto Alan so if he floats off to the stratosphere we can use him for a balloon...
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Sat 4 Apr, 2009 08:46 pm
@Fido,
Fido wrote:
Some one tie a string onto Alan so if he floats off to the stratosphere we can use him for a balloon...


What dear Fido do you mean? , maybe I am a air head but hpoefully an interesting one at that
 
Fido
 
Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 10:00 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall wrote:
What dear Fido do you mean? , maybe I am a air head but hpoefully an interesting one at that

The mystical church of light and love... Sure that is cool... While most churches preach a sort of defective morality, and for that reason are themselves shunned by many, still they are as successful as they are because they are a community that does a practical good for their members... They guide the young, and encourage them... They support and help the old... They make those in the middle feel connected and needed...

Part of the reason I do not go to church apart from the fact that our pope is foresworn to hitler, is that it does not do the good with my money that I can do on my own... I am steeped in religion and spirituality... I have a library on theology, and I always have a book going on the subject...I am even attempting to learn Greek so I can read the Biblos in the original...But I am not attended by spirits..It is a practical knowledge and a practical good I seek...All other purposes are like spirits in a bottle, bringing warmth and mirth, and a harder reality after...Last year, with some help, I collected over seven hundred pounds of clothing to ship to NAHA, natives in South Dakota... For every pound was given me a receipt estimating the value at 13 dollars a pound, which makes enough difference on my taxes to allow me to afford to do it again... All that is wanting in my life is the time and will... and it takes a lot of that... All that I need to help some one is to get off my assss... The money is money the government would take -regardless- from my taxes... All I have to do to divert that money from a government hell bent on using it for death and destruction is to spend it up front on my fellow man..--.I gave some reject clothes to the a church group... The woman knows my wife and said: I heard about your mission... What mission???

I love this place and we have stolen it from these poor natives, and left them in poverty... I don't preach to them, but respect their ways and beliefs... Their pain is mine, but I have the means to deny that pain its ache for both of us just by giving some of my time and effort...Why the government does not just help them, which it should be able to do more efficiently than myself so it can keep my taxes, I do not know....

Sorry about the digression...I don't give a rat for the mystical... If you do unto others there is plenty of spiritual fulfillment...When I can find something first rate to send to them, it would be cool to see their faces...I feel fortunate when I consider that I might see far more need than I could possibly supply, and that it would break my heart... I have known some poverty first hand, and known much more at arms length...I feel all good about myself, and yet I know moments of terror...What if there is a God who will judge me not on what I did, but on what I could have done, and did not do???
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 10:20 am
@Fido,
Quote:

Previously posted by Fido
Sorry about the digression...I don't give a rat for the mystical... If you do unto others there is plenty of spiritual fulfillment...When I can find something first rate to send to them, it would be cool to see their faces...I feel fortunate when I consider that I might see far more need than I could possibly supply, and that it would break my heart... I have known some poverty first hand, and known much more at arms length...I feel all good about myself, and yet I know moments of terror...What if there is a God who will judge me not on what I did, but on what I could have done, and did not do??


There are wonderful people of deep compassion in the church, Mother Teresa was a prime example.

But there is a lack of trust in the church organisations we tend to only remember the wrong and bad and take the good and righteous as normal
 
Fido
 
Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2009 10:13 pm
@Alan McDougall,
If you are good you don't need an excuse... What ever MT believed, she put it into practice... For the people it helped, it worked... I do not want to give up on helping a single individual only because my focus is on saving the world...I trust that if I ever do reach a point of saving the world, it will still be one individual at a time...
 
 

 
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