di Silentio wrote:
Sorry that I have not answered your post, but you did not have my name on your response (too many fail to attribute the 'quotes'). People's eyes catch their names.. These eyes are old and I don't have the 'time' to carefully search every post for recognizable wording.. If people would extent this 'courtesy', there might be less 'missed' responses.
There is no existence without Perspective. It is Perspective that discerns 'patterns' in the chaos of (the One) Mind.
When you say "the One Mind", what are you referring too?
Now, to reply to your question;
I refer to the only (One) Consciousness/Mind, the only
'Reality/Truth'. There is only 'One'. I see the quantum possibility/probability wave field (undifferentiated potential, chaos, all possible unactualized potential, etc...) to be nondifferent than 'Mind'.
There is no 'world' apart from you (Perspective). Your world (at any moment) exists in Mind. Different universes for different Perspectives (people). All possibilities, all aspects of Mind, are therefore available to Consciousness.
If there is no world apart from me how do we explain history?
First explanation, history = memory.
Shares memories, consensus, = 'history'. There is much 'history' that is very different than the history written by the 'victorious'. Ie; Amerikkkan 'history from the white old boy perspective 'vs' history from the black perspective (different perspective for all, but again I refer to a 'loose' consensus), or the indigenous peoples' perspective.. There is no 'carved in stone' history, as there is no 'carved in stone' present. 'History = memory' that is one reason for the multitude od 'interpretations' thereof.
What we see as 'history' are merely (discrete) moments of our existence seen from a 'linear' perspective. Like a movie.. Another wat to say 'history' is to say 'another moment', without adding the perspectival 'temporal' qualities of linearity. A 'date' (4:00pm; Tuesday; July 18, 2094) is an address of a particular moment, a particular universe of which you are an integral component, at the moment.
How do we explain the motor of the world that continually moves forward even though I do not partake in 'creating it'?
How do you explain the movie where all that action, all the characters are moving all over the screen... Is there real motion on the screen, or is it simply a matter of 'perspective' of a bunch of 'still' frames'. Your mind filters out/doesn't notice the 'spaces/troughs' between the frames. Nothing 'moving' but your 'concepts' due to perspective. Yes, you do "partake in creating it" as it, 'motion' (your universe), is your conceptual interpretation of what you 'see'. You see the tips of the waves without noticing the troughs and imagine continuity and motion. Nothing 'moves' outside your concepts.
The issue I have with the individual universe idea is the general commonality of experience. I understand that you and I can interpret reality in different ways, but typically these different interpretations are very minor details.
Perhaps an analogy;
I'll haul out those poor old blind men spaced around the elephant and describing it through tactile means. All have their 'limited' perspective from where they stand. The descriptions might all be very different, yet if they converse and understand each other's perspective, they will have a more 'accurate' vision of the elephant. There are other perspectives that 'see' an ocean, while the others are looking at 'elephant'. Every 'eye' 'sees' a different universe (in his mind). Some perspectives are very close to one another, the perspectives that are 'too' distant from yours, well, you cannot ever imagine what 'they' see! The appearance of 'time' running 'backward' (from your perspective, of course), people floating in the air, etc... Different, discrete, universes (at the moment).
The 'details' are only 'minor' when the perspectives are close. (Very close might just speak to a foundation of what is called 'love'...)
...and our memory didn't fail us, we would paint the exact same picture.
I think that experiment and data will not support your assumption. There are no two exactly same perspectives. No two people can ever see the 'same' rainbow (literally)!
... and I will even say most of the time, the physical world is experienced the exact same way.
Again, experiment will not bear this out.
If the majority of the human race experiences the world and the events contained with in it, how can one argue that the universe is only contained within the realm of ones own mind, and therefore that there are individual universes?
The 'data/raw material/potential' of our universes is the 'homogenous' chaos of Mind. Close perspectives see things 'similarly' to one extent or another, as they are 'peeking' at a 'similar' rainbow, a similar 'bit' of mind. 'My' (this) perspective seems rather different than many, most, folks on the planet. That is, of course, a supposition as I have not interviewed 'everyone', but everyone that I have ever spoken to on the subject, throughout the decades, makes a somewhat (tentatively) useful 'data set'...
Please let me give you a small quote from my book illustrating the answer to your question;
How much credence should we give our five senses to portray a true and accurate representation of "the true nature of existence"? I open my eyes and look up at the sky and the evidence of the senses is that there is a beautiful blue sky up there. 'Reality', right? You see the same thing don't you? Does consensus define reality? Should it?
Lets look at that blue sky up there for a moment. Picture a perfectly dark, clean room. There are windows on two opposing walls. Through one window is shined a light aimed out the opposing window. It is a coherent beam of light, not spreading out at all, not hitting the walls, and there is no glass in windows. There is no dust in the air of this clean room to disturb the happy passing of this beam of photons. In order for us to perceive light, out there, photons have to enter the eye and stimulate the cells in the retina and associated receptors, sending information to the brain for analysis (for possible action), or storage. (These brain functions produce a slightly, to one extent or another, toxic byproduct called 'thought'. More on that later.) We sit in this room and see no beam of light because no photons are being reflected into our eyes. Our eyes give us information that there is no light in this room. Yet we know that there is! The photons don't have any kind of magic that makes them glow. Photons are dark! They emit NO light!! But, you argue, we fortunate sighted people all SEE a world of color, light, patterns... out there! We just saw, in a simple experiment, how photons are completely dark. They have to stimulate the appropriate sensory receptor, finally having information translated in the brain into light, color, etc... OUT THERE. Putting two and two together, shaken, not stirred, we find we live in a totally, absolutely blackest of black, dark universe. All those colors, patterns, old familiar faces, ...are all in your head. Literally! In front of your nose, despite the information of one of the Original Five senses, is absolute darkness!!! So much for the "obvious"...
-Book of Fudd
Not a 'perfect' example, as the 'photons' are no more than a 'bit' of Mind/Potential (information/patterns, not 'things') that is 'visible' to particular perspectives (us).
The same is true for the concepts that are created with the 'incomming' 'information'. It is in your concepts that anything has it's exstence. By 'your' Perspective, existence is.
All Perspectives of Mind 'inform' Consciousness. Only by 'shattering' the perfectly clean and transparent 'glass' (Chaos/Mind) may it actually be seen. We (Perspectives) are the 'shatterers' of Mind...
Make any sense from 'your' perspective?