I have been through this argument a billion times previously. Around time number 758,457,564 I learned that such questions are actually meaningless, because unless you are willing to invest the asking of them with some sense of urgency, they don't mean anything. So here I have saved you a lot of trouble.

Well not literally meaningless, since we understand them. But pointless. And nothing to do with philosophy. How can there be any sense of urgency about such a question? What would that mean?

Time is definitely more then a mind-illusion. Einstein proved this. As stated it is affected by velocity, and gravity. If you were to increase your velocity to near the speed of light for one hour. After your journey, you would only be one hour older. But everyone you know would be considerably older or dead. No mind-illusion there. Time is also slowed with increased gravity as well. In M-theory space-time is considered a seperate dimension.

LOL? ..when did Einstein EVER prove time?
He made a theory that was plausible for the masses, nothing more than that.

God, Eternity, and Existence. Pointless, and nothing to do with Philosophy? Do you really believe that?

Anyways, jeeprs posted again after the one you commented on, and said it was a good question upon re-considering it. I assume you glossed over it as well.

Ive seen alot of your posts Ken. I would be surprised anyways if you had anything substantial to add.

Technically you're right, but one of his theories on time was "proven" in an experiment using atomic clocks. I'd have to look it up to get the specifics.

I didn't think it was necessary to go into all that.

I think you must mean by "substantial" profound rather than true. And, if that is my choice, I will choose to add something true rather than profound and false any day of the week. I did not say that issues about God, Eternity, and Existence are pointless. Only that yours are pointless. You really ought not to confuse the two.

Supposing there is a God. By God i mean something fundamental from which everything comes, and it itself came from nothing, but has always existed in eternity. Nothing More is implied by this use of the word "God".

Do you think that anything this God creates would have already been created an infinite number of times? Since it exists in eternity.

Neil

This dialog is meaningless, and pointless.

If I wanted to converse in a similar context. I'd go argue with my girlfriend.

You dont know what is "true". Nobody does. If you stumbled upon the truth. You could never prove it.

Your Philosophy is shallow, and your opinion means nothing to me.

Hello there,

The (something fundamental) that you are implying restricts your boundaries to A one-way version of infinity and also limits your parameters of thought to a sole-universe.
Infinity does not commence with an event - time does - Time is simply a relative measurement of the distance between two occurences within a given realm.

Wheels within wheels within wheels - This entire universe is but a proton in a much more vast multiverse - which is itself but a proton, and so on.

As for there have being a place within all this where "NOTHING" once was - "NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE" .

And - EVERYTHING must recur in both exact and random states - infinitely. As has it always.

Think on this long enough and you'll understand Deja vu too...

Thankyou and think well.

Mark...

Are you talking about M-Theory? I'm in a hurry. I'll read it again later.

I may not know what is "true". But what has that to do with knowing what is true? After all. unless it was true, how could I know it? Have you considered that? Has your girlfriend considered that?

In the context of this thread:

People know(or think they know)things that just arent true. Many do in fact. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many different beliefs. When in fact there is only one "real" truth.

Hello there,
The (something fundamental) that you are implying restricts your boundaries to A one-way version of infinity and also limits your parameters of thought to a sole-universe.

Infinity does not commence with an event - time does - Time is simply a relative measurement of the distance between two occurences within a given realm.

Wheels within wheels within wheels - This entire universe is but a proton in a much more vast multiverse - which is itself but a proton, and so on.

As for there have being a place within all this where "NOTHING" once was - "NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE" .

And - EVERYTHING must recur in both exact and random states - infinitely. As has it always.

I dont understand. I feel that if there was ever a time when there existed "nothing", then nothing would exist now..

Think they know, but need not know, is right. There is not only one (real) truth, but there are a lot of truths. For instance, that Quito is the capital of Ecuador, or that water is H20. Why would anyone think that there is only one true proposition? (Would they think that one true proposition was the one true proposition? Namely, that there is only one true proposition? Wouldn't they think that there was at least one other true proposition besides the proposition that there is only one true proposition? So there would have to be at least two true propositions: that there is only one true proposition, and another one true proposition. Which is, of course impossible. So there cannot be only one true proposition, since that one true proposition would have to be the proposition that there was only one proposition.

Is that profound enough for you?

Sure there are alot of different propositions about different things that are true. But when there are alot of different propositions about the same thing, in many cases, only one is true.