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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2009 01:24 am
The reason I posted this is because many of us on the forum do not really know what metaphysics is and I think this is a nice summary

Alan


Metaphysics

Definitions of Metaphysics

1 The philosophical study of being and knowing.

2: Metaphysics (Greek words Meta = after/beyond and physics = nature) is a branch of philosophy concerned with the study of 'first principles' and 'being' (ontology).

3: The study of the nature and being of reality and its origin and structure.

4: A field of abstract thought and philosophy about topics not on the
concrete or physical level of understanding. This includes subjects like
existence, the soul, being, the supernatural, astral travel and psychicism.

5: The manipulation of noetic symbols as if they were propositions.

6: Derived from the Latin word meta which means beyond, metaphysics would
literally mean that which is beyond the laws of physics. (No. As above, 'beyond our senses' is misleading - metaphysics studies the hidden causal connection of our visible senses.)

7: The study of the ultimate and fundamental reality. (Spot on!)

8: 'Beyond physics.' The branch of philosophy that deals with first
principles and seeks to explain the nature of reality and the origin and
structure of the world. (No. Metaphysics is the source of principles which found physics / science.)

9: Speculative thought about matters outside the perceivable physical world.

10: A branch of philosophy exploring the nature of reality or being, and
usually finding the answers outside the physical world in God.
(No. God is just another human constructed word, so this is meaningless.)

11: Philosophy of the mind, of knowing. (True. Metaphysics must understand how we can see a rock fall - this requires a correct understanding of the mind and how it is connected to the body / other matter in Space.)

12: Philosophic inquiry into the ultimate and fundamental reality; 'the
science of being as such'.

Metaphysics Quotes
on Truth, Reality & Principles in Science

Aristotle Metaphysics
It is clear, then, that wisdom is knowledge having to do with certain principles and causes. But now, since it is this knowledge that we are seeking, we must consider the following point: of what kind of principles and of what kind of causes is wisdom the knowledge? (Aristotle, Metaphysics, 340BC)

Metaphysics involves intuitive knowledge of improvable starting-points (concepts and truth) and demonstrative knowledge of what follows from them. (Aristotle, Metaphysics, 340BC)

Demonstration is also something necessary, because a demonstration cannot go otherwise than it does, and the cause of this lies with the primary premises/principles. (Aristotle, Metaphysics)

The first philosophy (Metaphysics) is universal and is exclusively concerned with primary substance. ... And here we will have the science to study that which is just as that which is, both in its essence and in the properties which, just as a thing that is, it has. (Aristotle, Metaphysics, 340BC)

The entire preoccupation of the physicist is with things that contain within themselves a principle of movement and rest. And to seek for this is to seek for the second kind of principle that from which comes the beginning of the change. (Aristotle, Metaphysics, 340BC)

There must then be a principle of such a kind that its substance is activity.
It is impossible that the primary existent, being eternal, should be destroyed.

That among entities there must be some cause which moves and combines things.

About its coming into being and its doings and about all its alterations we think that we have knowledge when we know the source of its movement. (Aristotle, Metaphysics, 340BC)

For those who wish to make good progress must start well; for subsequent progress depends on the resolution of the first puzzles, and one cannot solve these without knowing the difficulty and the confusion of our minds.

So we must first set out all the difficulties, both for these reasons and also because those who inquire without first setting out the difficulties are like those who do not know in which direction they should walk, and in addition do not even know whether they would recognize that which they are looking for.

For the end is not clear to these, but it is for those who have begun with the puzzles. And also from the point of view of judging that man is better off who has heard, as it were, all the rival and opposed positions. (Aristotle, Metaphysics)

(Gottfried Leibniz, 1670) It is a good thing to proceed in order and to establish propositions (principles). This is the way to gain ground and to progress with certainty. ... I hold that the mark of a genuine idea is that its possibility can be proved, either a priori by conceiving its cause or reason, or a posteriori when experience teaches us that it is a fact in nature.

Indeed in general I hold that there is nothing truer than happiness and nothing happier and sweeter than truth. (Leibniz, 1670)

I agree with you that it is important to examine our presuppositions, thoroughly and once for all, in order to establish something solid. For I hold that it is only when we can prove all that we bring forward that we perfectly understand the thing under consideration. I know that the common herd takes little pleasure in these researches, but I know also that the common herd takes little pains thoroughly to understand things. (Leibniz, 1670)

A distinction must be made between true and false ideas, and that too much rein must not be given to a man's imagination under pretext of its being a clear and distinct intellection. (Leibniz, 1670)


But it is the knowledge of necessary and eternal truths which distinguishes us from mere animals, and gives us reason and the sciences, raising us to knowledge of ourselves and God. It is this in us whom we call the rational soul or mind. (Leibniz, 1670)


When a truth is necessary, the reason for it can be found by analysis, that is, by resolving it into simpler ideas and truths until the primary ones are reached. It is this way that in mathematics speculative theorems and practical canons are reduced by analysis to definitions, axioms and postulates. (Leibniz, 1670)

David Hume Metaphysics Quotes: On Causation / Necessary Connection

It must certainly be allowed, that nature has kept us at a great distance from all her secrets, and has afforded us only the knowledge of a few superficial qualities of objects; while she conceals from us those powers and principles on which the influence of those objects entirely depends. (Hume, 1737)


When we look about us towards external objects, and consider the operation of causes, we are never able, in a single instance, to discover any power or necessary connexion; any quality, which binds the effect to the cause, and renders the one an infallible consequence of the other. (Hume, 1737)


Experience only teaches us, how one event constantly follows another; without instructing us in the secret connexion, which binds them together, and renders them inseparable. (Hume, 1737)


We then call the one object, Cause; the other, Effect. We suppose that there is some connexion between them; some power in the one, by which it infallibly produces the other, and operates with the greatest certainty and strongest necessity. (Hume, 1737)

Immanuel Kant Quotes on Metaphysics


Time was, when she (Metaphysics) was the queen of all the sciences; and, if we take the will for the deed, she certainly deserves, so far as regards the high importance of her object-matter, this title of honor. Now, it is the fashion of the time to heap contempt and scorn upon her; and the matron mourns, forlorn and forsaken, like Hecuba ..

Her empire gradually broke up, and intestine wars introduced the reign of anarchy; while the skeptics, like nomadic tribes, who hate a permanent habitation and settled mode of living, attacked from time to time those who had organized themselves into civil communities. But their number was, very happily, small; and thus they could not entirely put a stop to the exertions of those who persisted in raising new edifices, although on no settled or uniform plan. (Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, 1781)

This can never become popular, and, indeed, has no occasion to be so; for fine-spun arguments in favor of useful truths make just as little impression on the public mind as the equally subtle objections brought against these truths. On the other hand, since both inevitably force themselves on every man who rises to the height of speculation, it becomes the manifest duty of the schools to enter upon a thorough investigation of the rights of speculative reason, and thus to prevent the scandal which metaphysical controversies are sure, sooner or later, to cause even to the masses. (Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, 1781)

Albert Einstein on Principles in Physics

Note: This is a summary from the main Principles in Physics page (which is very good).

All logic depends upon Principles which gives rise to necessary consequences that are absolute and certain (rather than mere opinions).

The aim of Science is to demonstrate that these logical deductions from (a priori) Principles exactly correspond with our sense of the real world from (a posteriori) observation and experiment. Albert Einstein explains this Scientific method very clearly;

(Albert Einstein) Physics constitutes a logical system of thought which is in a state of evolution, whose basis (principles) cannot be distilled, as it were, from experience by an inductive method, but can only be arrived at by free invention. The justification (truth content) of the system rests in the verification of the derived propositions (a priori/logical truths) by sense experiences (a posteriori/empirical truths). ...

Evolution is proceeding in the direction of increasing simplicity of the logical basis (principles). .. We must always be ready to change these notions - that is to say, the axiomatic basis of physics - in order to do justice to perceived facts in the most perfect way logically. (Albert Einstein, Physics and Reality, 1936)

The development during the present century is characterized by two theoretical systems essentially independent of each other: the theory of relativity and the quantum theory. The two systems do not directly contradict each other; but they seem little adapted to fusion into one unified theory. For the time being we have to admit that we do not possess any general theoretical basis for physics which can be regarded as its logical foundation. (Albert Einstein, 1940)


If, then, it is true that the axiomatic basis of theoretical physics cannot be extracted from experience but must be freely invented, can we ever hope to find the right way? I answer without hesitation that there is, in my opinion, a right way, and that we are capable of finding it. I hold it true that pure thought can grasp reality, as the ancients dreamed. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

Albert Einstein Quotes on Metaphysics
(Remarks on Bertrand Russell's Theory of Knowledge, 1954)



In the evolution of philosophical thought through the centuries the following question has played a major role: what knowledge is pure thought able to supply independently of sense perception? Is there any such knowledge? If not, what precisely is the relation between our knowledge and the raw material furnished by sense impressions?

There has been an increasing skepticism concerning every attempt by means of pure thought to learn something about the 'objective world', about the world of 'things' in contrast to the world of 'concepts and ideas'.

During philosophy's childhood it was rather generally believed that it is possible to find everything which can be known by means of mere reflection.

It was an illusion which anyone can easily understand if, for a moment, he dismisses what he has learned from later philosophy and from natural science; he will not be surprised to find that Plato ascribed a higher reality to 'ideas' than to empirically experienceable things.

Even in Spinoza and as late as in Hegel this prejudice was the vitalising force which seems still to have played the major role.

The more aristocratic illusion concerning the unlimited penetrative power of thought has as its counterpart the more plebeian illusion of naive realism, according to which things 'are' as they are perceived by us through our senses. This illusion dominates the daily life of men and of animals; it is also the point of departure in all of the sciences, especially of the natural sciences.

As Russell wrote;
'
We all start from naive realism, i.e., the doctrine that things are what they seem. We think that grass is green, that stones are hard, and that snow is cold. But physics assures us that the greenness of grass, the hardness of stones, and the coldness of snow are not the greenness, hardness, and coldness that we know in our own experience, but something very different. The observer, when he seems to himself to be observing a stone, is really, if physics is to be believed, observing the effects of the stone upon himself.'

Gradually the conviction gained recognition that all knowledge about things is exclusively a working-over of the raw material furnished by the senses. Galileo and Hume first upheld this principle with full clarity and decisiveness.

Hume saw that concepts which we must regard as essential, such as, for example, causal connection, cannot be gained from material given to us by the senses. This insight led him to a skeptical attitude as concerns knowledge of any kind. Man has an intense desire for assured knowledge. That is why Hume's clear message seemed crushing: the sensory raw material, the only source of our knowledge, through habit may lead us to belief and expectation but not to the knowledge and still less to the understanding of lawful relations.


Then Kant took the stage with an idea which, though certainly untenable in the form in which he put it, signified a step towards the solution of Hume's dilemma: whatever in knowledge is of empirical origin is never certain. If, therefore, we have definitely assured knowledge, it must be grounded in reason itself.

This is held to be the case, for example, in the propositions of geometry and the principles of causality. These and certain other types of knowledge are, so to speak, a part of the implements of thinking and therefore do not previously have to be gained from sense data (i.e. they are a priori knowledge).

Today everyone knows, of course, that the mentioned concepts contain nothing of the certainty, of the inherent necessity, which Kant had attributed to them. The following, however, appears to me to be correct in Kant's statement of the problem: in thinking we use with a certain "right", concepts to which there is no access from the materials of sensory experience, if the situation is viewed from the logical point of view.

As a matter of fact, I am convinced that even much more is to be asserted: the concepts which arise in our thought and in our linguistic expressions are all- when viewed logically- the free creations of thought which cannot inductively be gained from sense experiences.

This is not so easily noticed only because we have the habit of combining certain concepts and conceptual relations (propositions) so definitely with certain sense experiences that we do not become conscious of the gulf- logically unbridgeable- which separates the world of sensory experiences from the world of concepts and propositions.

Thus, for example, the series of integers is obviously an invention of the human mind, a self-created tool which simplifies the ordering of certain sensory experiences. But there is no way in which this concept could be made to grow, as it were, directly out of sense experiences.

As soon as one is at home in Hume's critique one is easily led to believe that all those concepts and propositions which cannot be deduced from the sensory raw material are, on account of their 'metaphysical' character, to be removed from thinking.

For all thought acquires material content only through its relationship with that sensory material. This latter proposition I take to be entirely true; but I hold the prescription for thinking which is grounded on this proposition to be false.

For this claim- if only carried through consistently- absolutely excludes thinking of any kind as 'metaphysical'.

In order that thinking might not degenerate into 'metaphysics', or into empty talk, it is only necessary that enough propositions of the conceptual system be firmly enough connected with sensory experiences and that the conceptual system, in view of its task of ordering and surveying sense experience, should show as much unity and parsimony as possible.

Beyond that, however, the 'system' is (as regards logic) a free play with symbols according to (logically) arbitrarily given rules of the game.

All this applies as much (and in the same manner) to the thinking in daily life as to the more consciously and systematically construct thinking in the sciences.

By his clear critique Hume did not only advance philosophy in a decisive way but also - though through no fault of his - created a danger for philosophy in that, following his critique, a fateful 'fear of metaphysics' arose which has come to be a malady of contemporary empiricist philosophizing; this malady is the counterpart to that earlier philosophizing in the clouds, which thought it could neglect and dispense with what was given by the senses. ... It finally turns out that one can, after all, not get along without metaphysics.
 
richrf
 
Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2009 07:17 am
@Alan McDougall,
Thanks for the post Alan. Saw many ideas that I thought were quite interesting.

Rich
 
longknowledge
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 07:58 am
@richrf,


[These quotations are from his Some Lessons in Metaphysics, translated by Mildred Adams (New York: W. W. Norton & Company, Inc., 1969). It is a translation of , published in 1966. It consists of lectures to students when he occupied the Chair of Metaphysics at the University of Madrid in 1932-33. The numbers in parenthesis are the page numbers from the English translation.]

Metaphysics is not metaphysics except for those who need it. (15)

(26)

Metaphysics consists of the fact that man seeks a basic orientation in his situation. (27)

(35)

Metaphysical activity is an inevitable ingredient of human life; even more, [. . .] it is what man is always doing, and all his other occupations are decantings precipitated from it. (120-21)

Metaphysics is not a science; it is a construction of the world, and this making a world out of what surrounds you is human life. (121)

Man makes his world in order to install himself in it, to save himself in it; man is metaphysics. (122)

Metaphysics is a thing that is inevitable. (122)

The metaphysician, having to renounce every opinion which he himself does not fabricate, being unable to accept from others any opinion as good and firm, must make it all himself, or what is the same thing, he has to remain alone. Metaphysics is solitude. (123)

Others can put us on the road, but we truly make metaphysics; that is , when we fabricate our own basic convictions, we must build each one by itself and for itself, in fundamental solitude. (123)
 
jgweed
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 08:31 am
@Alan McDougall,
The origin of the word "metaphysics" actually derives from the title given to Aristotle's lecture notes, which were located on the shelf after his work on physics, about what he himself often termed "first philosophy."
For a thorough discussion of the origin and naming of Aristotle's Metaphysics, see Owens, The Doctrine of Being in the Aristotelian Metaphysics. (3d ed., rev. Toronto: Pontifical Institute of Mediaeval Studies,1978).
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 09:45 am
@Alan McDougall,
I do notice that many are hostile towards metaphysics. I suppose so long as the reasons for this hostility are apparent, that it is understandable, but the feeling I often have is that the reasons are unconscious, and often culturally determined. Basically I think any kind of fluency in the topic, and at the outset I admit to being a rank beginner, does require a degree of personal commitment which does not sit well with modern individualism.

One analogy that I am contemplating is that your metaphysic is somewhat like the global settings on your computer, or perhaps even your PC operating system. So the various applications allow you to express thoughts in particular formats and media, but the global settings determine fundamental parameters within which information is managed and the computer as a whole operates.

One small change in the parameters, and the whole system operates differently.
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 12:37 pm
@Alan McDougall,
 
hue-man
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 04:48 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I view metaphysics as the study of being, reality, existence, properties, and causality. Some people are hostile towards the field because some of the problems cannot be solved by empirical observation or logical decidability. Though it may be true that some metaphysical inquiries fall short of the principle of verification, I hold that metaphysics is most important because it asks meaningful questions. What some thinkers fail to do is distinguish questions from answers.
 
Shostakovich phil
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 08:53 pm
@Alan McDougall,
The following is an excerpt from Bergson's An Introduction to Metaphysics, [Library of Liberal Arts, edition, 1955; pg. 24]:

"... it is easy to see that the ordinary function of positive science is analysis. Positive science works, then, above all, with symbols. Even the most concrete of the natural sciences, those concerned with life, confine themselves to the visible form of living beings, their organs and anatomical elements. They make comparisons between these forms, they reduce the more complex to the more simple; in short, they study the workings of life in what is, so to speak, only its visual symbol. If there exists any means of possessing a reality absoutely instead of knowing it relatively, of placing oneself within it instead of looking at it from outside points of view, of having the intuition instead of making the analysis: in short, of seizing it without any expression, translation, or symbolic representation --metaphysics is that means. Metaphysics, then, is the science which claims to dispense with symbols."

And [pg. 51]: "But the truth is that our intelligence can follow the opposite method [to the scientific method]. It can place itself within the mobile reality, and adopt its ceaselessly changing direction; in short, can grasp it by means of that intellectual sympathy which we call intuition. This is extremely difficult. The mind has to do violence to itself, has to reverse the direction of the operation by which it habitually thinks, has perpetually to revise, or rather to recast, all its categories. But in this way it will attain to fluid concepts, capable of following reality in all its sinuosities and of adopting the very movement of the inwardf life of things. Only thus will a progressive philosophy be built up, freed from the disputes which arise between the various schools, and able to solve its problems naturally, because it will be released from the artificial expression in terms of which such problems are posited. To philosophise, therefore, is to invert the habitual direction of the work of thought."
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 09:21 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil. Albuquerque;100682 wrote:


That might have been true at one stage in history. But I don't think it can be true today. What is physics 'about' nowadays? Current physics describes realities so obtuse and so alien to experience that it makes the wildest flights of traditional metaphysics seem tame by comparison. matter is no longer matter, and most of the universe now seems to be composed of a 'stuff' which cannot even be imagined, let alone detected. In any case, I don't think metaphysics is about 'figuring everything out' but grasping fundamental principles which underlie the order of the universe. Physics seems further away than ever from that, but having come thus far, will have to keep going.

Shostakovich;100740 wrote:
The following is an excerpt from Bergson's An Introduction to Metaphysics, [Library of Liberal Arts, edition, 1955; pg. 24]:

"... it is easy to see that the ordinary function of positive science is analysis. Positive science works, then, above all, with symbols. Even the most concrete of the natural sciences, those concerned with life, confine themselves to the visible form of living beings, their organs and anatomical elements. They make comparisons between these forms, they reduce the more complex to the more simple; in short, they study the workings of life in what is, so to speak, only its visual symbol. If there exists any means of possessing a reality absoutely instead of knowing it relatively, of placing oneself within it instead of looking at it from outside points of view, of having the intuition instead of making the analysis: in short, of seizing it without any expression, translation, or symbolic representation --metaphysics is that means. Metaphysics, then, is the science which claims to dispense with symbols."

And [pg. 51]: "But the truth is that our intelligence can follow the opposite method [to the scientific method]. It can place itself within the mobile reality, and adopt its ceaselessly changing direction; in short, can grasp it by means of that intellectual sympathy which we call intuition. This is extremely difficult. The mind has to do violence to itself, has to reverse the direction of the operation by which it habitually thinks, has perpetually to revise, or rather to recast, all its categories. But in this way it will attain to fluid concepts, capable of following reality in all its sinuosities and of adopting the very movement of the inward life of things. Only thus will a progressive philosophy be built up, freed from the disputes which arise between the various schools, and able to solve its problems naturally, because it will be released from the artificial expression in terms of which such problems are posited. To philosophise, therefore, is to invert the habitual direction of the work of thought."


Beautiful quote. Vain hope, though, that we will reach a plateau 'free from disputes'. Many get sustenance from disputes like mosquitos do from blood. However what Bergson is saying is completely true in my judgement, except for I would say that rather than 'inverting the direction of thought' it is more like 'understanding how thinking works and what it can and can't do'. In fact maybe you could say metaphysics can only arise from a critical reflection on the limitations of thought itself. Hence its connection with contemplation and the stilling of thought.
 
Shostakovich phil
 
Reply Fri 30 Oct, 2009 09:32 pm
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;100741 wrote:


Beautiful quote. Vain hope, though, that we will reach a plateau 'free from disputes'. Many get sustenance from disputes like mosquitos do from blood. However what Bergson is saying is completely true in my judgement, except for I would say that rather than 'inverting the direction of thought' it is more like 'understanding how thinking works and what it can and can't do'. In fact maybe you could say metaphysics can only arise from a critical reflection on the limitations of thought itself. Hence its connection with contemplation and the stilling of thought.


I agree that it is a vain hope. Disputes there will always be. I would like to think that metaphysics can only arise from a critical reflection on thought and overcoming the self-imposed limitations on thought (this seems more open ended). We are too multifaceted a race of beings to ever expect that what Bergson hoped for could actually be realized ... but I'm sure that Bergson knew this all too well himself; but the driving force behind his Introduction seems to me to be summed up by the saying: "Damn the torpedos and full speed ahead."

I highly recommend Bergson's "Intro to Metaphysics," to anyone who hasn't read it yet.
 
jgweed
 
Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 05:58 am
@Alan McDougall,
Science studies beingS either by formulating probable laws or by establishing classifications;each science, in defining the matters appropriate to its study, thus divides the universe of given beingS by how it questions it.

Metaphysics, on the other hand, attempts to understand Being as such, and asks in an universal way: what is it to be? Or, as Heidegger puts it, Why is there something rather than nothing? In asking this question, it asks not about different kinds of beingS, but about all beings, and what it means to be.
 
Dasein
 
Reply Sat 31 Oct, 2009 09:00 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan;

Actually
Quote:
2: Metaphysics (Greek words Meta = after/beyond and physics = nature) is a branch of philosophy concerned with the study of 'first principles' and 'being' (ontology).


Is partially accurate. Meta does mean after. About 300 years after Aristotle's death the schools at the time determined that it would be good idea to organize Aristotle's teachings so they could be preserved.

They organized his teachings into physics, logic, and ethics. Once they had that organized they discovered they had a lot of stuff that didn't fit into physics, logic, and ethics. So they created a section "after" physics and "metaphysics" was born. So, in the beginning metaphysics was the chapter after physics.

Yes, one of those things that wouldn't fit in physics, logic, or ethics was ontology.

Dasein
 
Whoever
 
Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 04:19 am
@Alan McDougall,
Whichever chapter metaphysics was in, it comes before physics in the contruction of a worldview. Fundamental physics is metaphysics, as Paul Davies shows in the books he's written dealing with both. I liked this from Jeeprs.

Quote:
One analogy that I am contemplating is that your metaphysic is somewhat like the global settings on your computer, or perhaps even your PC operating system. So the various applications allow you to express thoughts in particular formats and media, but the global settings determine fundamental parameters within which information is managed and the computer as a whole operates. One small change in the parameters, and the whole system operates differently.

Thus metaphysics is the operating system for physics. Of course, many physicists forget this, and go on to adopt all sorts of demonstrably absurd metaphysical positions, but they can't justify them. Physics cannot come to a different conclusion than metaphysics, or not unless the universe is paradoxical. This is why there is no fundamental theory of anything in physics. In an essay titled 'The End of Physics' Hawking proposes that there never will be.

Personally, I find the distinction between metaphyscis and physics profoundly unhelpful to an understanding of either.
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 05:04 pm
@Alan McDougall,
But there has to be a distinction, surely. Don't forget that one of the pressing practical issues behind the development of calculus and calculators was the lobbing of artillery shells. And when you're engaged in this activity, are you going to be thinking (of those at whom you are lobbing the shells) 'who are they, really?'

The problem we are having is that people are thinking that physics eliminates metaphysics, because all there is are 'bodies in motion' (and surely if you lob the shells acccuratly, there will be plenty of that....)

So this definition of physics as 'natural philosophy', i.e. the examination of what appears in the natural world, is the attempt by engineers and scientists (aka. 'men in white coats') to overthrow the teaching of the sages. Or at least that is how it appears a lot of the time.

---------- Post added 11-04-2009 at 10:33 AM ----------

actually must add a corrective here, I don't want to be disrespectful to physicists. One of the supreme geniuses (genii?) of physics surely was Johannes Kelpler, who managed to work out the orbit of the planets, by disregarding the centuries-old a priori axiom that bodies in the superlunerary sphere must describe perfect circles. In his day and age, considering what was known, and what equipment he had to work with, his was one of the towering achievements of western philosophy, physics and science.

Just wanted to add that corrective.
 
Whoever
 
Reply Thu 5 Nov, 2009 04:12 am
@Alan McDougall,
I agree that it is useful to make the distinction, but to me it is only a convenience for the filing system. It would be impossible to have a fundamental theory in physics that is not also a metaphysical theory. Physics cannot avoid metaphysics.

I'm not so sure about the physicists who I read. I have the greatest respect for the 20th century physicists who created QM because they had a broad education, open and enquiring minds, and a good understanding of the issues their findings raised. More recently, however, over-specialism had brought about a situation where the layman has as much chance of having a sensible philosophy as a professor of astrophysics.
 
prothero
 
Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 05:54 pm
@Alan McDougall,
The subjects after physics on Aristotles bookshelf.

The application of reason to the fundmental problems of ontology (what is real, what exists, what is truth, the good, the beautiful) a form of speculative philosophy or "metaphysical inquiry".
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 06:09 pm
@Alan McDougall,
A maverick teacher I used to read used to say that 'nobody knows what anything is. They only know about it."

And I think this is perfectly true. The human condition is that we assume we know who and where we are. But we really don't.
 
longknowledge
 
Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 08:24 pm
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;102394 wrote:
A maverick teacher I used to read used to say that 'nobody knows what anything is. They only know about it."

And I think this is perfectly true. The human condition is that we assume we know who and where we are. But we really don't.

What we need is a new thread about "Aboutness"! Shall I start one?
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 09:57 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Depends on what it's about

Sorry, only being facetious. It sounds like a good idea. But the point that has hit me again is 'how little we know'. I was reading the excellent 'Ascent of Money' by Niall Ferguson while overseas. He points out that right before the outbreak of WW1, a number of prominent intellectuals published books or papers on 'the impossibiity of war in the modern age'. likewise with the Sub Prime crisis, a few months before it happened, there was a major conference dedicated to the fact that we had broken the boom-and-bust cycle.

The point that is nagging at me is that 'metaphysics' may not actually be some abstruse academic consideration of abstract truths. It might be the residue of insights that great seers and sages have into the 'way things actually are'. People are so confident of their 'sense of reality', particularly modern people. After all, an important part of modern philosophy was to start with the idea of 'sweeping away metaphysics' and concentrate on 'what is really there'. But what is 'really there'? It seems to me a lot of the time that what is 'really there' is a description of the world, a 'consensus reality' structured out of opinion and media and images which are completely insubstantial. Hence the immersion of 'the masses' in spectacle, in celebrity, in dreams of avarice and the pursuit of sensation and various other forms of illusion and delusion. How much of the modern economy is based on the assiduous cultivation of delusion? Of people living vicariously through 'reality TV' (now there is the oxymoron of the century). Perhaps this is what a metaphysic needs to critique nowadays.

I suppose one thing that needs to be avoided however is to try and 'bring back metaphysics'. I don't believe in a return to traditional metaphysics or romantic idealism. However what they signified, the area of being they were concerned with, the truths they symbolised, surely must still be of significance. I suspect that this was very much part of Heidigger's project, from what little of it I have discerned. As it is, modernism seems to me to be intent on 'taking refuge in the transient', keeping the appearances but disposing of the reality, like Alice trying to leap headlong into the mirror. Chaos has ensued, as is obvious.
 
Shostakovich phil
 
Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 12:52 am
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;102394 wrote:
A maverick teacher I used to read used to say that 'nobody knows what anything is. They only know about it."

And I think this is perfectly true. The human condition is that we assume we know who and where we are. But we really don't.


This is no different from Kant's judgment that we can never know the thing in itself. And with this I have to agree. We only know what a thing is from what we can gather from our sensory impressions. We may know a certain amount but we're far from knowing it all. To know the thing in itself demands not only an absolute grasp of what the thing is in its most fundamental essence, but how that thing exists in relation to everything else that affects its existence. Such understanding implies an omniscience that transcends finite human capabilities. This is why scientists spend a life time studying just one thing, like fruit flies, as opposed to many things.
 
 

 
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