Emerald Paradox;96243 wrote:
God, which would be the creator of all being as I'm sure most would agree, if He/She/It were to exist, would exist outside of existence and non-existence as well. If God is eternal as we believe Him/Her/It to be, then it would make sense to think this way. The creator of all being is the source of being and non-existence, and therefore resides at the threshold of both realms. If Eternity is said to be the parent category, then God should reside here, sandwiched between those realms. Samm, did argue that if an entity lacked being, it could not create being. However, I would disagree as Shlomo did, because if you look at things in such a black and white manner, you fail to realize that gray has both the properties of black (non-existence) and white (existence) and therefore both may be born from its (God's) essence.
My goodness, Emmy, you say that God "would exist outside of existence..."! I don't think something can be said to exist outside of existence. If it exists, there is existence. If it is outside of existence, it does not exist. You can't have it both ways.
I think God IS existence and that non-existence is nothing more than a concept of the human mind with no possibility in reality.
You and I are talking about different ideas of existence. In my idea of existence, black--as a color that may be mixed with white to form gray--DOES exist. I know that black is the absence of all color and white is the presence of all color, and when we say we are mixing black and white, we are actually only reducing the amount of all colors toward zero. But black still exists as an idea and as a real condition in which color is not present. Black is not non-existent as you assert. If black did not exist, we could not make gray. If black did not exist, we could not extend the electro-magnetic spectrum beyond the range of visible light. (...and visible to whom?) Oh, yes. Black definitely exists.
And God exists. And if God did not exist, he could not create, nor could we think about him or imagine him or even name him. Properties and attributes may only belong to things that exist.
I hope this helps explain my idea of existence to you, and I'd like to understand your idea of existence better. I am confused about it right now. Thanks!
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My strong conviction is that freedom of conscience is possible only in secular democracy. I am really not interested in pushing my faith down the throat of others, I am interested in free discussion while remaining who I am and respecting others' right to be who they are. If I failed to stand to that standard in my previous posts, please accept my apology. If you are curious about my faith, you can read about it in my site (just click on my signature to get there).
Hello, Shlomo. No, I never thought you were being forward or aggressive in asserting your faith. I'm still kinda new here at this site, and I have what is perhaps a misunderstanding that we were to discuss philosophy in the philosophy threads and religion in the religion threads and not intermix the two--I think for the sake of avoiding religious disputes complicating or detracting from philosophical disputes. I'm just trying to abide by these rules I think exist. Please clarify for me if you know me to be wrong, and even if you're not certain, I don't mind talking God with you here until and unless someone complains or a moderator tells us to take it elsewhere. If it is an infraction, I'm sure it's a minor one.