The implications of a Holographic Universe

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richrf
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:21 pm
@Satan phil,
Satan;75420 wrote:
Credible as judged by peer review. I don't need to speak for other scientists. Their results are published in actual scientific journals.

You seem really bitter against intellectual authority. I wonder why that is. Is it because the reality of the world contradicts your chosen fantasy?

It's a shame but eventually you will grow out of it I hope. Thanks for the attitude though.


Credible
Bitter
Offended
Intellectual
Fantasy
Grow out of it, I hope

Very interesting.

The highest, as the lowest, form of criticism is a mode of autobiography.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray.

Rich
 
Satan phil
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:28 pm
@richrf,
richrf;75422 wrote:
Credible
Bitter
Offended
Intellectual
Fantasy
Grow out of it, I hope

Very interesting.

The highest, as the lowest, form of criticism is a mode of autobiography.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray.

Rich


I find it interesting that you want to discuss everything but the actual topic.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:30 pm
@richrf,
richrf;75403 wrote:
Exactly. Things to wonder and think about.

Rich

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Yep. Usually both sides think the other is incorrect.

Sometimes people just disagree.

Rich

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It is not where those people came from before they came to Earth, that I am wondering about. It is you I am wondering about.

When two people disagree, then yes, they each think the other is incorrect. That is what the word, "disagreement" means. And yes, sometimes people just disagree. You are just full of revelation today! And, most of the time, peopla disagree, and one of them is wrong, and the other is right. And sometimes, especially when they are rational, and after they discuss the matter, one of them will agree that he was wrong, and the other person was-right. Now, just try to imagine that! Suppose, for instance, someone says that "thought proceeds matter" and the other person disagrees, and he points out that if that were so, there could be no Earth before it was thought of, and therefore, there would have been no people before there was an Earth. And, the first person says, "You are right. What I said was just absurd". Imagine that! There are rational people who can see, and admit, that they were mistaken!!
 
richrf
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:36 pm
@Satan phil,
Satan;75425 wrote:
I find it interesting that you want to discuss everything but the actual topic.


I apologize. I thought you already know what is true and did not have anything to discuss. Mostly, it seems, you would like to attribute some personality characteristics to me. Do you have psychic abilities by chance?

In any case, if you have something to say about the Holographic Universe, by all means do, if you wish.

Rich
 
Satan phil
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:46 pm
@richrf,
richrf;75427 wrote:
Mostly, it seems, you would like to attribute some personality characteristics to me.


You are no stranger to speculating on the motivations and dispositions of others as well. I wouldn't be so hypocritical to condemn others for what you yourself do as well.

If you want to know something about the Holographic Principle, you could start by not getting your scientific information from a psychic palm reader website. If you don't understand peer review and the scientific method in general then it's rather pointless to even bother talking about scientific topics altogether.

In the same way it would be a mistake to examine religious claims with scientific methods. It is also a mistake to examine scientific claims with religious methods. Anything that has to do with physical existence is the domain of science. As long as you refuse to accept that then we can't hope to have any meaningful conversation.
 
richrf
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:49 pm
@Satan phil,
Satan;75430 wrote:
You are no stranger to speculating on the motivations and dispositions of others as well. I wouldn't be so hypocritical to condemn others for what you yourself do as well.

If you want to know something about the Holographic Principle, you could start by not getting your scientific information from a psychic palm reader website. If you don't understand peer review and the scientific method in general then it's rather pointless to even bother talking about scientific topics altogether.

In the same way it would be a mistake to examine religious claims with scientific methods. It is also a mistake to examine scientific claims with religious methods. Anything that has to do with physical existence is the domain of science. As long as you refuse to accept that then we can't hope to have any meaningful conversation.


Fine. If you so desire, you can retract and apologize for all of those personality characteristics that you attributed to me. If you don't wish to, that is fine by me. What ever makes you feel better.

Thanks a lot for all of the warnings and admonishments. My own philosophy is that the only way to learn is by making mistakes.

Rich
 
Satan phil
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:53 pm
@richrf,
richrf;75432 wrote:
My own philosophy is that the only way to learn is by making mistakes.


The idea is to make different mistakes not the same mistakes over and over again. Wink

Have a nice day.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:53 pm
@richrf,
richrf;75432 wrote:
Fine. Thanks a lot.

My own philosophy is that the only way to learn is by making mistakes.

Rich


But you keep repeating the same mistakes. Apparently, learning does not affect your behavior.
 
richrf
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:55 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;75434 wrote:
But you keep repeating the same mistakes. Apparently, learning does not affect your behavior.


Thanks for informing me. Now, are you and other Sacred Holders and Defenders of the Truth done? This thread is suppose to be about the Holographic Universe. Smile

Rich
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 12:57 pm
@richrf,
richrf;75435 wrote:
Thanks for informing me. Now, are you done?

Rich


You mean you agree? That is progress! There may be light, yet.
 
Neil D
 
Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 04:19 pm
@kennethamy,
As someone mentioned, it may be a good idea to investigate other sources of the holographic paradigm, other than the one listed here, which is what i used, though the material seemed authentic enough.

The idea seems right out of the Matrix. All matter...reality itself is nothing but an illusion. The only thing what would be real is our "being", which is who knows where, and what we are here is just a projection of that. Well, there is a heck of alot more to it than that, but thats a start. Anyways, i'd be interested in what others prefer as a theory of everything. M Theory, or the holographic paradigm; any similarities or connections between the two?

Had to rush through this. Its supper time.

Neil
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:09 pm
@Neil D,
Neil;75982 wrote:
As someone mentioned, it may be a good idea to investigate other sources of the holographic paradigm, other than the one listed here, which is what i used, though the material seemed authentic enough.


The author of the article refers to several resources. I have begun reading a book by Leonard Susskind, The Cosmic Landscape, in which he discusses his theory about holographic storage of information. There are other sources and information that I will get to in time. I have preciously read Michael Talbot's book the Holographic Universe, which I found very enjoyable and informative. I have also read some of David Bohm's work on the Implicate Universe.

Quote:
The idea seems right out of the Matrix. All matter...reality itself is nothing but an illusion. The only thing what would be real is our "being", which is who knows where, and what we are here is just a projection of that.


I do not think in terms of illusions, since they seems to undermine what we feel as existing. What I think more about, is how we go from a holographic image which is perceptible but cannot be sensed by touch or smell to one that can be. That is, how do things become so that they are perceived as solid. It is helpful for me to keep in mind Einsteins formula: e=mc**2.

Rich
 
Neil D
 
Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 06:46 pm
@richrf,
richrf;75995 wrote:

What I think more about, is how we go from a holographic image which is perceptible but cannot be sensed by touch or smell to one that can be. That is, how do things become so that they are perceived as solid. It is helpful for me to keep in mind Einsteins formula: e=mc**2.


From what i understand, the entire universe is made of light, and so are we, and the "solid" nature percieved within is just a part of the same program the creates the hollogram.

What would interest me, is that, if all this is true, then where exactly is my holographic projection originating from, and how the heck do you project someones very "being" into a holographic universe.

In the Matrix movie, everyone was hardwired into a mainframe computer, and the computer generated their virtual reality. So far that makes more sense. Maybe im just being lazy and need to read more.

Neil
 
richrf
 
Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 09:30 pm
@Neil D,
Neil;76005 wrote:
From what i understand, the entire universe is made of light, and so are we, and the "solid" nature percieved within is just a part of the same program the creates the hollogram.


Yes, I would say that we are all constructed out of elementary particles and illuminated by light

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What would interest me, is that, if all this is true, then where exactly is my holographic projection originating from, and how the heck do you project someones very "being" into a holographic universe.


Yes, this is where the speculation begins. The realm of metaphysics. I speculation it is the thing we call consciousness. The thing that is with us during the evening when we are asleep and with us when we are awake. It is always there - using light to illuminate.

I think you might find Catching the Light by Zajonc quite interesting. He is a quantum physicist who researches optics and lights. A very special book in my opinion.

Rich
 
Neil D
 
Reply Thu 9 Jul, 2009 11:30 am
@richrf,
richrf;76024 wrote:
Yes, I would say that we are all constructed out of elementary particles and illuminated by light


Im getting out of my realm, but it seems that in a holographic universe, the only things that could exist without illusion would be electromagnetic radiation of varying sorts, light and frequencies like radio waves to name a couple, so the elementary particles would be photons.

richrf;76024 wrote:

Yes, this is where the speculation begins. The realm of metaphysics. I speculation it is the thing we call consciousness. The thing that is with us during the evening when we are asleep and with us when we are awake. It is always there - using light to illuminate.


Ive definitely thought of the soul as being composed of energy, just not in this context, but it seems to fit, im just not exactly sure how...but, if our soul is EM radiation, as the holographic universe is, then perhaps we could be "tuned in" to it somehow.

This sounds like infinitely advanced alien technology, or the work of god..i can barely grasp the concept, although it is new to me.

Neil
 
richrf
 
Reply Thu 9 Jul, 2009 12:39 pm
@Neil D,
Neil;76107 wrote:
Im getting out of my realm, but it seems that in a holographic universe, the only things that could exist without illusion would be electromagnetic radiation of varying sorts, light and frequencies like radio waves to name a couple, so the elementary particles would be photons.


I don't think there is such thing as a specialist when it comes to metaphysics, so I just speculate as I wish. Smile

I tend not to think in terms of illusions, but instead I see things as different phenomenon. For example, ice, water, and steam are just different aspects of the same thing. For me, it is the same with consciousness, energy, matter. All, just different aspects of the same thing. No difference.


[QUOTE[Ive definitely thought of the soul as being composed of energy, just not in this context, but it seems to fit, im just not exactly sure how...but, if our soul is EM radiation, as the holographic universe is, then perhaps we could be "tuned in" to it somehow.Neil[/QUOTE]

Yes, I think this is a very good way to put it. The soul uses the physical body's nervous system to tune into the universe (literally) and it uses the rest of the body to move around and absorb energy so that it can keep moving around. A walking transmitter/receiver so to speak. :bigsmile:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.

Rich
 
Neil D
 
Reply Thu 9 Jul, 2009 06:11 pm
@richrf,
We would be light beings, independently, freely moving over a universal network made of light, in a percieved 3 dimensional reality construct(better than illusion?).

Ok, thats it...if i think of anything interesting, i'll be back.

P.S.
Energy would be the only thing in existence, in this type of universe, and matter would only be a manifestation of that energy, and if you think about it, we dont understand matter at its most fundamental level(quarks? Preons?...?), so it may be possible.

Neil
 
richrf
 
Reply Thu 9 Jul, 2009 08:41 pm
@Neil D,
Neil;76185 wrote:
We would be light beings, independently, freely moving over a universal network made of light, in a percieved 3 dimensional reality construct(better than illusion?).

Ok, thats it...if i think of anything interesting, i'll be back.

P.S.
Energy would be the only thing in existence, in this type of universe, and matter would only be a manifestation of that energy, and if you think about it, we dont understand matter at its most fundamental level(quarks? Preons?...?), so it may be possible.

Neil


Yes. All of this is worthy of exploration. Cya,

Rich
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 03:08 am
@richrf,
richrf;75435 wrote:
Thanks for informing me. Now, are you and other Sacred Holders and Defenders of the Truth done? This thread is suppose to be about the Holographic Universe. Smile

Rich


Hi Rich Dont let these two trap you into the type ping pong insulting trade-off they love. Smile

One is already on my ignore list, Although I am no spring Chicken it took me a long time to become "internet forum mature" enough to let these negative comments just hang there in the void where they belong

I have a volatile nature that I must and am learning to keep in check
 
richrf
 
Reply Fri 10 Jul, 2009 06:25 am
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;76281 wrote:
Hi Rich Dont let these two trap you into the type ping pong insulting trade-off they love. Smile

One is already on my ignore list, Although I am no spring Chicken it took me a long time to become "internet forum mature" enough to let these negative comments just hang there in the void where they belong

I have a volatile nature that I must and am learning to keep in check


Hi Alan,

It doesn't bother me, and I don't need an ignore button to ignore. Smile

Cya around!

Rich
 
 

 
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