Credible as judged by peer review. I don't need to speak for other scientists. Their results are published in actual scientific journals.

You seem really bitter against intellectual authority. I wonder why that is. Is it because the reality of the world contradicts your chosen fantasy?

It's a shame but eventually you will grow out of it I hope. Thanks for the attitude though.

Credible
Bitter
Offended
Intellectual
Fantasy
Grow out of it, I hope

Very interesting.

The highest, as the lowest, form of criticism is a mode of autobiography.
Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray.

Rich

Exactly. Things to wonder and think about.

Rich

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Yep. Usually both sides think the other is incorrect.

Sometimes people just disagree.

Rich

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I find it interesting that you want to discuss everything but the actual topic.

Mostly, it seems, you would like to attribute some personality characteristics to me.

You are no stranger to speculating on the motivations and dispositions of others as well. I wouldn't be so hypocritical to condemn others for what you yourself do as well.

If you want to know something about the Holographic Principle, you could start by not getting your scientific information from a psychic palm reader website. If you don't understand peer review and the scientific method in general then it's rather pointless to even bother talking about scientific topics altogether.

In the same way it would be a mistake to examine religious claims with scientific methods. It is also a mistake to examine scientific claims with religious methods. Anything that has to do with physical existence is the domain of science. As long as you refuse to accept that then we can't hope to have any meaningful conversation.

My own philosophy is that the only way to learn is by making mistakes.

Fine. Thanks a lot.

My own philosophy is that the only way to learn is by making mistakes.

Rich

But you keep repeating the same mistakes. Apparently, learning does not affect your behavior.

Thanks for informing me. Now, are you done?

Rich

As someone mentioned, it may be a good idea to investigate other sources of the holographic paradigm, other than the one listed here, which is what i used, though the material seemed authentic enough.

The idea seems right out of the Matrix. All matter...reality itself is nothing but an illusion. The only thing what would be real is our "being", which is who knows where, and what we are here is just a projection of that.

What I think more about, is how we go from a holographic image which is perceptible but cannot be sensed by touch or smell to one that can be. That is, how do things become so that they are perceived as solid. It is helpful for me to keep in mind Einsteins formula: e=mc**2.

From what i understand, the entire universe is made of light, and so are we, and the "solid" nature percieved within is just a part of the same program the creates the hollogram.

What would interest me, is that, if all this is true, then where exactly is my holographic projection originating from, and how the heck do you project someones very "being" into a holographic universe.

Yes, I would say that we are all constructed out of elementary particles and illuminated by light

Yes, this is where the speculation begins. The realm of metaphysics. I speculation it is the thing we call consciousness. The thing that is with us during the evening when we are asleep and with us when we are awake. It is always there - using light to illuminate.

Im getting out of my realm, but it seems that in a holographic universe, the only things that could exist without illusion would be electromagnetic radiation of varying sorts, light and frequencies like radio waves to name a couple, so the elementary particles would be photons.

We would be light beings, independently, freely moving over a universal network made of light, in a percieved 3 dimensional reality construct(better than illusion?).

Ok, thats it...if i think of anything interesting, i'll be back.

P.S.
Energy would be the only thing in existence, in this type of universe, and matter would only be a manifestation of that energy, and if you think about it, we dont understand matter at its most fundamental level(quarks? Preons?...?), so it may be possible.

Neil

Thanks for informing me. Now, are you and other Sacred Holders and Defenders of the Truth done? This thread is suppose to be about the Holographic Universe.

Rich

Hi Rich Dont let these two trap you into the type ping pong insulting trade-off they love.

One is already on my ignore list, Although I am no spring Chicken it took me a long time to become "internet forum mature" enough to let these negative comments just hang there in the void where they belong

I have a volatile nature that I must and am learning to keep in check