i don't understand what the video has to do with the question. are you saying eating meat is unethical? if so, why didn't you make that the title to your post?
As the title reads [Natural law and ethics] I know very little of either and I was hopeing that someone could help me to understand how [or if ]they go together.
I have included something to listen to as you think about your answer to the question that I have asked.:detective:
YouTube - Do You Drink Milk? 28 Things You Should Know.
This is easy... Ethics is based upon natural relationships, that being the community, nation which springs from a common mother: Natal, Navel, natural... It is from our mothers that we learn our morality, how to care for and treat siblings and family... Natural law is based upon the Roman law of nations that for the first time in any sort of code of behavior suggested a universal equality between nations, and it is upon this national equality that individual equality was based...It was the first time that national morality was expanded to international morality...That is the extent of my knowledge... Some one else will have to tell you how it turned out...
Thank you Fido. you write that It is from our mothers that we learn our morality, how to care for and treat siblings and family. I do see your point on how some one else will have to tell me how it turned out...
I do have a question, What we we are taught naturally is this the best way of understanding ethics? or should we seek a different approach?
As I study human behavior I come across all sorts of stories, this is one that I have just came across. This a 67 year old man that was in a fight on a bus. Believe it or not the 67 year old man put a bad beaten on the younger man who hit him first. you can find the video on youtube it is called the [epic beard man] That is not so important to me what I find interesting is the first 60 seconds of this interview video.
Oh by the way there is bad language in the video for those who do not want to hear it!:detective: YouTube - I Am A ************ [2/2]
I am a bit bewildered about this thread, why the guy with a problem? he appeared to be acting out what was expected of him, is there any natural law in his ethics?
Hi Xris. I do agree with you, he appeared to be acting out what was expected of him by many people.
I do not think that he had a lit cig, as it is illegal in the US
at a restaurant.
I used the video in response to fido's reply that we learn morality from our mothers. The man's father kicked him in his face when he was a child and his mother put him in the oven and turned the gas on.
I was only asking are we sure that this is the best way to learn morality or should we also include other approaches as well?:detective:
It is the only way to actually learn morality...Ethics must be learned pre reason if they will be learned at all, and it is because, and as I am sure you know, that before anyone does an injustice to anyone, they first justify their action... Reason is the enemy of morality... When people are moral, and act morally, it is out of their sense of self, because of what they feel which is who they are...When people are immoral it is out of a flawed sense of self, that they need something, like money, to be complete...Because the problem is not what they have, but who they are, no amount of material advantages makes them moral...
Are you saying, Fido, that no person who behaved as an ineffective, insensitive adult ever learned to be more ethical after taking a self-help course and thoroughly studying (and doing the homework from) the Manual accompanying the course?
Any number of people have changed their life for the better after merely reading a good self-help book. [I list ome of them by Demarest & Schoof (pending publication in harcover soon) in the Bibliography to my latest piece of writing. See the link below.]
The lack of empathy or the ability to have empathy with one another usually forms our moral code. When a thief robs you, he can not have any feelings for your loss. Confronting the victim can stir empathy within the thief but many have crossed that point where they are beyond having compassion or reason to feel such empathy. What kills the conscience or what the individual does to avoid having regret, is complex. Lack of moral examples growing up, isolation from human contact, a lack of expressed love. We can so easily damage each other and by so doing damage the society we live in. When we don't act by the natural laws of life and succour our children, give them love and understanding, ethics are lost.
People can learn to behave as though moral, but it is manipulation, and they are truly dangerous...
I think my morals have improved, but it was because of my basic moral sense, which I owed almost as much to my dog and my brother as to my mother and father... My mother and father are moral people, and I learned the essential moral lessons when I was too young to think about it, but almost from the moment I could think about it and the reason I did think about it was that I felt rejected, abused, and humiliated by my parents...
They were ambitious when young, had lived through the great depression, and had a first born son 80% paralyzed with the effects of polio... That was my world, and I found I could not have a dog because I was a dog for my older brother... But he, at least, nurtured the sense that I was valuable, and necessary, strong, intelligent, and loyal...And I must have been the evil genius of the family, because when my father died, my brother sent a letter taking credit for every plan I had that had went awry and had earned me a kick in the ess...How could he dare to try to make off with the crimes of my youth, the products off my ruthless mind??? What did he eveer do but curb my worst, and most dangerous ideas???
What made me moral then, and now, was the sense I got very early on that I belonged with those folks, that they were mine, and I was theirs. And while my parents all but destroyed the sense in me, my brother and even my dog, while I had one, nurtured the feeling... So, I was moral and immoral when young, more consciously immoral in adolecence, and young adulthood; and philosophy did help to bring me back to a certain moral understanding; but all that would have been empty thought without the basic moral feeling, the bond between myself and others at some point in my youth...Morality is community... As bad as they were, I was one of them, and though they often made me regret it, they could not take it...
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You cannot teach people how to feel... Look at the serial killers who were adopted after being rejected by their mothers... All they know is hate...
Morals are based upon feelings; emotions... Reason denies morality...I am not saying anyone is a born killer, though it is possible... Rather, children who are not allowed to bond with their mothers, to feel defended, and the desire to defend and love are purely animals...
You have lost me..so can morals be taught, given or not?