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sometime sun
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 02:21 pm
@Night Ripper,
Night Ripper;162877 wrote:
Being a pimp means you get a lot of girls or are stylish. Very few people talking about pimps are actually down with the exploitation of women.

Sorry but you are wrong.
Who ever thinks that pimp means anything other than the exploiter of women is not just an idiot but a creep.
They are proliferating and excusing and worse glamorising a profession for bums and pricks.
Any one who calls them self this word is just a loser.
But then I may be wrong as I have no idea why they use the nigga either.
They use it in their music and want to sell it but heaven forbid you should sing along.
Idiots.
 
Pyrrho
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 02:22 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;162920 wrote:
It is? Well, in a lot of circles, "bastard" is, in fact, a term of praise, "you lucky bastard!". So what? Of course, that means that neither that being a bastard, nor being a pimp, is a praiseworthy activity.


I think you are hitting on something very useful. Words very often have meanings other than their literal meanings (as in your example "you lucky bastard"). I don't think you will find a very high percentage of people who actually approve of "a person, esp. a man, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings", regardless of whether he brutalizes the prostitutes or not. And I think you will find this to be true, regardless of race.
 
Jebediah
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 02:32 pm
@Deckard,
wayne has it right. Pimp is often used in a way that doesn't have anything to do with prostitution. People who call themselves pimps are probably just saying that they are dressed nice and will get a lot of girls.
 
Deckard
 
Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 02:35 pm
@Pyrrho,
The average starting age for a female prostitute is 13 to 14 years. The average starting age for a male prostitute is 12 to 13 years. I suppose some may start on their own but most of them are "turned out" by a pimp. Now I am not saying that all pimps are child molesters but it is safe to say that the label fits for a large proportion of the pimps out there.
 
Mentally Ill
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 12:33 am
@jgweed,
jgweed;162916 wrote:
In some circles, and perhaps without thinking about its ramifications, "pinp" is almost a term of praise. But this seems to reinforce the idea that women are cattle to be put out to graze sexually, are objects that one can treat in the worst way including physical abuse, and are no better than whores.
There seems to be a concerted trend to denigrate the status of women in some circles, and this is absolutely deplorable.


Prostitutes will sell sex independent of pimps. A pimp simply organizes the prostitutes and provides them with a business model, effectively becoming their manager, or employer.
It is a stereotype that prostitutes are women and pimps are men. In actuality, a woman can be a pimp and a man can be a prostitute, it all depends on the people and the types of personalities in play.
It is also a stereotype that pimps are sleazy. A pimp can be honest, give the prostitutes a fair share of the money they earn, not abuse the prostitutes physically or verbally, etc...

Most of the problems with prostitution/pimping are rooted in prostitution being illegal. We would have no problem with pimps if the pimp was licensed by the government and called an "escort manager" instead of a "pimp".
The reason we see the correlation between abusive behavior and pimping is precisely because prostitution is illegal, so the only people pimping are criminals by nature. This paradigm would not exist if prostitution were legalized.
 
TuringEquivalent
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 01:18 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;162932 wrote:
Yeah. I hadn't thought of that. As my mother used to say, "if you are so smart, then why aren't you rich?". Now that's a stopper.


What nationality/race are your parents? If you don` t mind.
 
Night Ripper
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 08:16 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;163069 wrote:
Who ever thinks that pimp means anything other than the exploiter of women is not just an idiot but a creep.


So I'm an idiot and a creep eh? Well I guess that's one way to deal with people that think differently than yourself, insult them and demean them. Of course, not being an idiot or a creep and understanding that words such as "pimp" can be used without condoning actual "pimping'", I feel a little bit slighted.

Words have different meanings based on usage. Look at how the word is used. When someone says "dude's a pimp", do they mean he's really cool and gets the ladies or do they mean he's a criminal enabling prostitution?

If I was trying to decide what is idiotic, I would say that taking words at face value and ignoring their context is idiotic.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 08:23 am
@Twirlip,
Twirlip;163028 wrote:
Don't you sometimes just wish you could un-thank a post?


Indeed, indeed. But I don't think the post was entirely serious. Like the sneezy baby in Alice in Wonderland, "he does it only to annoy, and because he knows it teases".
 
TuringEquivalent
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 09:13 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;163405 wrote:
Indeed, indeed. But I don't think the post was entirely serious. Like the sneezy baby in Alice in Wonderland, "he does it only to annoy, and because he knows it teases".


I am dead serious. Pimp makes more money.

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jgweed;162935 wrote:
Philosophers might mentally abuse one another, but pimps often physically abuse their whores when they refuse to perform five or ten sexual acts in an evening, or when they wish to live a different life. Pimps often prey on the unfortunate situations of underage runaways, and then throw them into the trash heap when they are worn out by drugs and repeated sexual encounters. While I purposefully express the plight of these women in gentle terms, to adequately express the reality of their lives would almost demand plainer language.


Do pimps in general physically abuse the women? How common is it?
 
Twirlip
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 09:50 am
@TuringEquivalent,
Meanwhile, over on the Pimps' Forum, someone is probably making himself unpopular by observing that philosophers are better educated.
 
TuringEquivalent
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 10:15 am
@Twirlip,
Twirlip;163447 wrote:
Meanwhile, over on the Pimps' Forum, someone is probably making himself unpopular by observing that philosophers are better educated.


Are you saying i am uneducated, Twirlip?
 
Twirlip
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 10:17 am
@TuringEquivalent,
No, I'm asking all of the lovers of Sophia to form an orderly queue while they admire my bling.
 
TuringEquivalent
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 10:25 am
@Twirlip,
Twirlip;163468 wrote:
No, I'm asking all of the lovers of Sophia to form an orderly queue while they admire my bling.


I hope your don` t physical abuse your lovers. That wouldn` t be very nice, since they do make your money.
 
GoshisDead
 
Reply Wed 12 May, 2010 10:42 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;163069 wrote:
Sorry but you are wrong.
Who ever thinks that pimp means anything other than the exploiter of women is not just an idiot but a creep.
They are proliferating and excusing and worse glamorising a profession for bums and pricks.
Any one who calls them self this word is just a loser.
But then I may be wrong as I have no idea why they use the nigga either.
They use it in their music and want to sell it but heaven forbid you should sing along.
Idiots.


Sun:
I normally do not disagree with what you say, (half the time probably because it is written too poetically for me to make a real judgment call, and BTW I really like that) but words routinely go through cultural prejoration and amelioration. The meaning of PIMP does not have to change for its emotional and psychological impact to change. Also the lossening and lower impact of the meaning tends to readust the meaning itself. Take the term 'you suck' 'that sucks' etc... When i was a child learning that phrase from my peers, my mother freaked out on me and would routinely wash my mouth out with soap. She did this because she knew the orginial meaning and that meaning had full impact on her. It refered to oral sex, and she was horrified at my use of it. I did not associate it whatsover with oral sex. I associated it with well something that just sucks.

The same can be said about the progession of the general acceptance of the F-word. everyone knows what it means, but its psychosocial impact is lessened. The C-word also and example of the differing psycho-social impact of a word. Much more routinely used in England than the U.S. The impact of its use in the U.S. is still to most like literally slapping a woman in the face. I am of the camp that I think using pimp so cavalierly is horrendous, but to many, especially people ten years younger than me, although they know the exploitative meaning of the word, they do not associate with the exploitative meaning, just as I did not associate with the graphic meaning of suck.
 
harlequin phil
 
Reply Wed 19 May, 2010 04:50 pm
@Deckard,
pimps have that cool "pimp cup." they lay down the law with their "pimp hand." i've never heard of anyone walking around Harvard, Swarthmore, or Tulane, drinking from their "philosopher cup" nor have i ever heard anyone feared for his "strong philosopher hand," so they got that going for them.
 
Deckard
 
Reply Wed 19 May, 2010 06:52 pm
@harlequin phil,
harlequin;166208 wrote:
pimps have that cool "pimp cup." they lay down the law with their "pimp hand." i've never heard of anyone walking around Harvard, Swarthmore, or Tulane, drinking from their "philosopher cup" nor have i ever heard anyone feared for his "strong philosopher hand," so they got that going for them.


Most of those pimp cups are pretty tacky if you ask me but it is a cool idea I'll give you that. I have a favorite coffee cup. It has a rooster on it. This reminds me of that scene from The Last Crusade where the simple wooden grail is surrounded by all those tacky pimp cups. Choose wisely. As for the pimp hand well its most often used to slap and beat up women so...well...just not that cool, not that cool at all.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Sun 23 May, 2010 04:09 am
@Deckard,
Deckard;162864 wrote:
Is there any reason why I should respect pimps or people imitating or proudly characterizing themselves as pimps? Maybe there is some ethnic thing going on here that I should make some PC concessions to? Seriously, is there anyone on this forum that will defend pimps or whatever pimps represent and stand for?
Surely depends on your definition of pimps, for me it has 2 meanings.

1) a person who are the chief of prostetutes.

2) a person who have a distasteful, colorful exaggeration of clothing and jewelry.
 
Deckard
 
Reply Sun 23 May, 2010 12:13 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;167624 wrote:
Surely depends on your definition of pimps, for me it has 2 meanings.

1) a person who are the chief of prostetutes.

2) a person who have a distasteful, colorful exaggeration of clothing and jewelry.

It's not as if there is no connection between these two definitions. The word itself has been out there for a while and may have had a variety of meanings in past centuries as most words do but the word has returned to the common lexicon through hip-hop culture with references, often very explicit and undeniable references, to the prostitution trade.
 
 

 
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