@xris,
xris;66031 wrote:Its never that easy, the health of the individual or the tribe? One man sacrificed for the benefit of the tribe by pagan man ,is that morally correct? Its based on a well believed concept by those who enforce it , dont we have a say in morals ,cant we judge?are we aliens observing, aloof, not commenting?
We all judge, and we all have a say... We can ignore the morals of our community and then we are an outlaw... Or we can live more morally than our community, and then we are a philosopher, or a holy man...It is not better or safer to deviate from the morals of ones group one way or another... But we do have a say, and so do they... Everyone has to sacrifice to belong in any relationship, and that is always a part of self... It might be your fore skin, or your bad attitude, but if you do not leave some thing behind, then you do not want to belong there enough to be counted on...
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Alan McDougall;66052 wrote:But we are not cavemen, (OK maybe some of us are), I think child abuse is universally immoral,what about slavery as well?
You are right selfishness is a real root cause of immorality
What does thought have to do with morality??? If the community you wanted to belong to was a community of child abusers, then child abuse would be the most moral morality... I remember seeing some archeologist on the tube talking about excavating near stonehenge, and he commented on the vast number of human bones fragments, most of which were of children, and he said it must have been a very hard time for children... I suppose so, where one was subject to being gagged and bagged and carried off to be a human sacrifice... Consider that nursury rhime: Ride a co-ck horse, which is a discription of a human sacrifice at a traditional site, a road crossing, Banbury cross, where the girl would be wedded to a god and killed, acompanied by the sound of bells to keep evil spirits away... She will have music where ever she goes... She just won't go very far in life...
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Eudaimon;66048 wrote:Morality, to have any significance, to be universal, must be the thing that may be adopted despite any coditions under which we are raised. What is that thing that makes us condemn those actions like child abuse? It seems to me that for cave men it wasn't so 'immoral'. As well as killing, rape etc...
In the case with selfishness we should define whether or not these things contribute to happiness. When one kills another, it is certainly, as well as everything we do, being done in order to attain a certain result, money, respect, authority. Is this real happiness? Or rather misunderstanding thereof?
You know, though it is a discounted idea, some people presume that we as a society must punish our own evil people or suffer together the wrath of God...You heard this after 911, that we were being punished... The thing is that among primitives the idea of group responsibility concerning other groups, that their individual stood for the group, and that, if you could not catch a guilty party, then any would serve that purpose; this was transfered to christianity, so they really believed that they would be judged together in the here after, and they took confession together, and in public so others could point out ones shortcomings if they happened to forget...If you look at one of our most common type of comedy, the police show, it is a comedy because it is the reverse of a tragedy, which sees the crime from the perspective of that one driven out of the community... The comedy of crime sees crime from the community perspective, suggesting that we are healed from the illness of evil when we drive out our guilty...Unfortunately, law is such a failure at bringing about reconciliation that we hardly celebrate the exclusion of the guilty.... There is no catharsis; nor is there healing... Behind all, we know there is no justice, so there will be no peace, not with God, and not with each other...
Some people, and I trust that some is many, still accept tangible justification, that God rewards or punishes on this earth, and does not wait for death to judge people good or evil... So what is the taking of life to a moral person...It may be the most moral of acts... But the conduct of ones life to a moral person who accepts some kind of God is lived in the light of that belief...Morality is an investment in community...That does not mean people do not want a reward... Virtue is the sacrifice and the reward... Vice is a reward without sacrifice...