No. Heck no.

Not necessarily, anyway.

You don't need to be a philosopher to understand what a ridiculous ignorant medieval notion that is. Masturbation is immoral if you see it that way; in the 'eye of the beholder'.
'Morality' is 'sin' (pride), not masturbation.
Wank away! Enjoy your humanity!

It strikes me that certain creeds attached to certain religions are placed there to maximise potential new recruits in the form of children. Hence the distaste of homosexuality, contraception and masturbation, I reckon.

Do Catholics really still prohibit masturbation?

It is if you don't want hairs growing in the palm of your hand.Well thats what my baptist minister told me,and i believe him.:sarcastic:

I suppose it depends what you're masterbating. Masterbating a pig is probably immoral by any standard.

Oh, dear friend, that is easy to say until you have experienced the joy of pleasuring a pig.

(I'm, of course, joking.... sick, twisted, yes, but still a joke)

Twisted, yes. As a pig's...

Whatever turns you on, but if it honks and drinks lager who can judge its value.

I don't think so - artificial insemination depends on it.

Do they artificially inseminate pigs? And do they gather 'by hand'?

Yes, i saw it on tv once, i think its the only way they can do it, i think it was a bull.

In all due respect, to me the question should be how moral is artificial insemination? Personally speaking any man who would allow the essense that is he, to be used to impregnate a woman of which he will never have contact with is absolutely, universally wrong. For in my deepest convictions, if a woman cant or shouldn't have children, there are good reasons for that. Going to an establishment to "pick a child" is absolutely absurd and any man that contributes to that, in my opinion, is an imbecile.
Nuff said,
William

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Please, regard the levity in the following statement and the humor of it along with the truth of it. Considering the male sex drive, if we didn't have that little safety release mechanism, nothing with an orifice would be safe, Ha. In my opinion it's just that, a release mechanism and not a recreational activity or it shouldn't be anyway. It depends on how much we are exposed to that "temptation" which shifts our libido into high gear. Now, the exposure, to a degree, we can controll. Of course you would have to be a monk living in a monastery to eliminate it all. It depends, I think, on one's priorities in life and how active they are in that life would be a determining factor on the control needed taking into consideration the almighty orgasm is that goal that keeps us procreating to bring new life into this world.

I think it also depends on how much Joy there is in one's life that would serve as a deterrent to that temptation unless that orgasm is the "only" pleasure you have in your life. Now IMO, when you seriously stop and think about what I just said, it may be the solution to our dealing with "over population". There are many "deprived" people on this planet whose only joy is that orgasm as their existence is engulfed in misery. It's like when we lose one sense, like our sight, we become more dependent on the others. When an individuals life has no meaning, in that depravation, self indulgence can get totally out of control and that preponderant self interest is what creates excessive behavior and in this matter it would include you guys who are walking around with your arms in a sling. Ha. It's not a fault, it is a consequence of this reality and being, for whatever reason, deprived of the joy that life should offer that is not "orgasmic". Like I said, it is a safety mechanism, without it, we could easily become decadent which is the ultimate end of depravity. as it relates to those ends we will go to, to satisfy the obsessive need for pleasure. IMO. Joy is about happiness, which has nothing to do with pleasure.

Pleasure is centered around self gratification which can easily get out of control especially when one associates joy with pleasure. Not good. Too much of anything is not good for us with the exception of joy, and that is what life should be about. That's why in all my posts, I stress a need for a balance in all that life has to offer. Pleasure is really a very small part of that life if all else is in balance. I think self-gratification is getting out of control as more and more people become deprived of the joys of life, the more decadent they become dependent on self gratification for they get gratification from no other source but themselves. IMO, that is truly sad.

My two cents worth.
William

Thanks for that, we were talking about pig farming though.

Friends of mine donated sperm as students - and I don't regard it as an immoral act. I rather resent the implication that it is. I wouldn't do so myself at this time, as I feel there are enough people on the planet without creating more, a fact that wasn't quite as pressing on me 15 years ago, but I also think that a couple who would make good parents but for the fact that the 'father' is unable to conceive shouldn't be split up just so the mother can find a mate (from your post you make it seem as if the women is the barren one in these cases, which isn't usually the case).

And indeed, there may well be those occasions--the particular person at a particular time--where to prevent one from releasing sexual tension could very much be said immoral !

Sorry, I didn't pay any attention to the "pig" dialog for it was entirely off topic. Your statement wasn't though as it does relates to the OP.

William

It's a good point. I mean, without the pigs' consent, isn't it just rape by proxy?



Essence? Do you know you were parodied 40 years ago in a film called Dr Strangelove? (Appropriate name for the topic of pig-fiddling.)



Then I'm with stupid.



Nuff and then some.



Yeah right. Like monks don't bash the bishop.

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I agree with this. Surely it is better for society to let a man vent his sexual frustration on a pig than to cause him to seek human quarry. A pig in every home, I say!

What ever rocks your boat. If pigs are your fancy and it keeps you from raping someone, then by all means bring home the bacon. It's just I fail to see the connection between pigs and the OP. Perhaps someone could enlighten me. As far as the comment about monks, I wouldn't know for that comment was relating only to the complete isolation to temptation. As far as the comment about the imbecile, I stand pat.

William

it takes a long long time to recover from being a catholic....i know, my mother tried to make me one. she didnt succeed even in getting me through confirmation, but it did me a lot of damage anyway.

what is immoral is the priest asking from behind a screen on the other side of a young girl in a small box during confession 'what exactly did you do? how did you do it? how many times in a month? or a week?'