The short answer for me is "Yes"
You have no idea of how greatful I am to have never taken an ethics course in my life. IMO, as long as "costs" are involved ethics doesn't exist. It is only our attempt to find reason for that which is innately wrong so it's "not that bad
". An extremely slippery slope which can be defined as the rationalistic "gray area". In that respect we are indeed elephants and we can only hope we do not live up to the axiom of "the bigger they are, the harder they fall" when it comes to the United States of America, the grayest country on the face of the Earth as black and white, and any who voice any attempts to define right and wrong are slowly disintergrating right before our eyes. Years ago I heard myself say "cost of living" and it just hit me wrong. What the hell is ethiical about that? Nothing! Absolutely nothing! I got to thinking about the idea of charging a human being for the right to "have" food; not to mention selling their body and it's parts to "make ends meet", including killing it's unborn in order to survive! God damn it!!!!!!! (Of course, that's another issue, isn't it?)
Prostitution can be ethical, but only a very specific set of circumstances.
Please, name me just ONE (1).
There are a GREAT many more contexts, in my opinion, that make it less ethical.
IMO, my friend, there is no such thing as "less ethical". Either it is "right" or it is "wrong". Black and white, no gray as far as "being ethical" is concerned. For if there is a "less ethical" it cancels out any perceived definition of the word of which there are a TON. Hence, the term "elephant" especially in this country.
The problem for me, with this issue, is twofold:
[INDENT] For one, I understand and look back at the role sex has played in my life and I see it inextricably tied to not only my having fathered two new lives (the closest thing to divinity that I'll ever experience)
Khethil, any two lifeforms can have "sex" and it is in the definition of the word that has been so totally misconstrued and interpreted by those who engage in "it" as it has become a recreational sport and of course as this thread implies a way to "earn a living". You my friend engaged in the most "intimate act" in the universe a man and a woman can "share" to bring life into this world. For any other reason is a bit selfish and self gratifying only, but, permissable if those parameters are in place should an "accident happen". Of course no accidents should happen if a woman is paying attention to what her body is telling her. There is nothing ethical about that, it is the truth and it is right. Period, IMO. Now if you want to call that ethical, fine, do so. That would mean all other interpretations would be "unethical". Such as prostitution, for example and trying to find a ethical reason for it is impossibe. IMO. It is simply a "survival mechanism". Like murder. There is no ethical reason for it, in any context once we learn "why" people go to such extremes.
but also the emotional, very personal element. So this isn't just a commodity, to me personally. But I can very well see how it might be for others not of my mindset.
Khethil, what others and why don't they have this "right" mindset? I don't wish you to name names, but give some thought as to why others have the mindsets they do? I think you truly "don't see" because you don't want to see the real wrong nature of what a chemically laded woman of the street goes through to survive in this world to "earn a living". In all due respect. Call girls are women of the street, only 10 floors up.
Certainly not Julia Roberts (Pretty Woman) who participated in the worst movie of all time that twisted even more this ages old story of woman and her "cinderalla" saga that comes from the mind of man and her fate only to be rescued by that same man. Hmmm? Talk about entrapment?
The second issue that exacerbates this is money. In a nutshell, I hate it. I well recognize that needing to earn it is virtually a (programmed) requirement for living nowadays and I'm playing my part. But getting it has been such (IS) a source of crime, hate and discord in our world,,,,
Sorry, my friend for adding a few words of my own to better explain my understanding, but all and all this quote took the words right out of my mouth. I just added a little more "emphasis".
.....while the lack thereof causes SO much pain.
How could we possibly know the pain of those who have so little unless we do walk in their shoes and experience the mental anguish and depravation of the poverty (mental ans physical) they have "no choice" but to exist in as many just don't have what the "status quo" requires to earn a living?
Hell Khethil, not only do they use drugs in order to cope, they use them "as money" swapping this drug for food easily obtained by less than unscrupulous pharmicists, drug dealers and "friends". Pain pills are the most common among all types of other drugs readily available such as crack, ice and all forms of "homemade crap" that can be fabricated with common stuff you can buy at Wal-Mart.
Money has always been the problem. I have been talking about this in over a 1000 posts. Charging a price to live on this planet is the number one reason for all the ill's plagued by man and woman. All will heal once we take money and the rarity of it out of our equations. and create a system base abundance but managed and resource based. Humankind being that most valuable resource and what they can offer that does not require prostituting their very lives and welfare to obtain. Of course those who do have it, will create a rationalization that will be the 'exception to this truth'. I guarantee it. It's always been that way.
I suppose it's my idealism showing through, but I somehow resent living in a world where the average person (in my culture) must spend about 50% of their waking lives 'whoring' themselves out just to survive.
Seeking the ideal? May I ask what is so wrong with that? In lieu of rotting in mediocrity, I will vote for aspirations to the ideal in a heartbeat as long as no one has to sacrifice. (opulence not included, but eliminated)
So my take, right now, is this: Only when it is done freely, by consenting adults who are not forced or strong-armed into it by virtue of their needing money, it's it completely ethical, to me.
In all due respect, Khethil, virtue has nothing to do with it, IMO. It is two deprived people meeting in the middle; one to survive and one to be self-gratified. End the depravation and the cause of it and both will just go poof......................and disappear, IMO.
Where one has to compromise their personal self; that intimate and private place where body meets mind, just to live, be enslaved or otherwise not of their choice, it can't be called ethical. So that's where I'm at - still hoping to hear more opinions.
And thank you for allowing me to give mine. Thanks for the post.