mark noble;167742 wrote:
No lie is worth telling. As for universals, there are many... Santa is one - people tell their kids they love them, then they support it with the lie of Santa, when the kids grow, they have learnt that fibbing is acceptable, develop mistrust and disloyalty and pass it on to their's. This is one reason I don't do Xmas, and think it foolish of those that do...But, each to their own.
Shine on, Sun
Agreed lies should not be tolerated no matter the 'joy' they bring.
If not for the very fact that telling them becomes synonymous with 'joy'.
The easy enjoyable lie.
I am trying to be a Christian at present but previously on the sometime show I was a Pagan so actually used to celebrate Yule, but even now as a wannabe Christ child I find Christmas a little funny as it is not His actual birthday. I tend toward being more Jehova Witness than any of the other churches, at least in theory. But do still now burn Myrrh and Frankincense on Christmas eve.
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Of course it is, otherwise people would not do it. And lots of people get away with it. That is why we have prisons. So that not so many people will get away with it, and there is some chance of its not being worth having. Philosophers have argued, at least since the story of the ring of Gyges in Plato's Republic that the bad always suffer, and the good always make out just fine. But, as Miss Prism in Oscar Wilde's play, The Importance of Being Ernest wisely remarks to her innocent charge, Cecily, that the bad always suffer, but the good make out just fine is , "what fiction is all about".
What are they getting away with?
The good are not the ones lying though, so they get away without having to tell them in first place.
Infinitely more self respect and worth is what makes freedom so valuable.
What is worth really worth?
---------- Post added 05-23-2010 at 10:25 PM ----------
"The truth is rarely pure and never simple" O.W
---------- Post added 05-23-2010 at 10:38 PM ----------
If you have the ability to cheat and lie and find the success it may bring fulfilling , I dont understand you. You are beyond my comprehension. Am I stupid, are you really satisfied with your success? It separates us and I will never be able to understand you.
I recently came across such a man. He claimed to be a soldier serving in Afghanistan and he was collecting for the injured soldiers. By talking to him I quickly realised he was lying. I looked into his eyes in disbelief , wanting to see in his eyes a glimmer of why he would think it acceptable ,this lie for money. I thought I saw an inability to reason or have feelings for others. I am afraid anger took over my disbelief and I acted as is my weakness with violence. My violence and his deceit on a road to Truro.
What about if you were never to have known he was lying and you donated some money, would your charity be a lie?
Do you think he was trying to make liars of others or just himself?
(I will be going through Truro seeking truth myself this summer)
---------- Post added 05-23-2010 at 10:44 PM ----------
Is God a universal truth or universal lie?
---------- Post added 05-23-2010 at 10:48 PM ----------
mister kitten;167746 wrote:
"Become good at cheating and you'll never have to become good at anything else."
Do you see this as an endorsement or as a condemnation?