mark noble;166113 wrote:
Faith is having the confidence to trust in what you believe, and to believe that confidence to be trustworthy.
Have a smashing everything, always Sun.
Nail on the head, as you can see I came to theorise faith is in fact reality and at last an understanding of reality.
How do we measure trust?
And reality is nothing more or less than trust to my mind.
I was going to say reality and trust are also truth and I am reminded that love, reality, faith and now trust are all subjective. Truth is not only subjective it can be and is objective.
So besides the fact I am now imagining that any thing that is subjective is not in fact as 'real' as the objective (speculative, rejective, inductive, inclusive), I am thinking faith, love, reality, trust do not actually exist at all?
Just the objective truth exists.
How do we objectify faith? Can it be done? If not does it, can it exist?
I have just led my self a merry circle,
'How do we objectify faith?' is 'How can we measure faith?'
I may have missed it but has anyone yet objectified faith?
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I may be wrong it may be 'unobjective' truth is the only thing that exists.
That which is the only thing to answer and yet needs no question. <---Is this line objective or unobjective?
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At least for the peoples of the books (e.g. Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, The Koran) Faith can be quantified and so it can be measured according to how much of The Word of God one acquires, understands and believes.
Consider Luke chapter 8
Well this could be interpreted as each seed containing the whole of the Word of God and as we shall see this is indeed the case but in answer to the OP there is still the suggestion that some have more of the Word while others have less of the Word which suggests that faith is, in a sense, measurable - Consider Luke 8:18.This is hopeful to most of us as most of us have at least received some of the Word - for example Matthew 7:12. By Luke 8:18 Faith will grow deeper for those who have received even one seed. This is why the parable talks about seeds because seeds grow. Faith grows from a single seed but from that seed roots, stems, leaves and yes also fruits are produced. Can Faith be measured? I suppose we could extend the parable and say that Faith can be measured by the depth of the roots the height of stalk, the number of leaves and the number of fruits. But again, by Luke 8:18 you need not worry about the quantity of your Faith so long as you are sure that at least one seed has found fertile ground within your heart.
I like a lot, Thank you so much.
So could your faith be measured by how many you convert, convince, convict?
Did not Jesus have 'more' faith because he converted, convinced, convicted the entire world?
Is faith an infection a cure? Can we not measure it this way? Can we not have 'more' faith the sicker we once were or the better we have now become?
In the end the better or worse 'more' or 'less' we make other people or the world?
Cannot faith be measured by the amount of goodness one spreads?
Cannot we agree faith is a measure of goodness?
And surly at least goodness can be measured?
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Maybe not goodness, maybe righteousness instead?
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My own little opinions:
When a stranger looks at another stranger with an open face, that is a leap of faith. When a friend tells a friend something slightly risky to their friendship, because it needs to be said, that is a leap of faith.
When a questionable thing is said that could easily be taken the wrong way, and we choose to give so and so the benefit of the doubt, that is a leap of faith.
For me, life is a succession of leaps of faith. Interrupted by doubts, angers, confusions, etc.
Still, two humans smiling at one another with a gleams in their eyes is not a bad thing -- to understate on of those primary but not so talked of pleasures.
Yes perhaps faith is at its strongest when it no longer seeks to prove anything even its self.
Perhaps faith can be measured by how much we allow and are allowed by it?
The dainty delicate faith objectives you describe are sadly the easiest to be over run and confused.
Faith can be based on reasoning before religion.
Again perhaps a stronger faith is that which is a resolved faith and self.
A religion can do this and can leave you more unresolved, just as logic?
Is faith logical?
A strong faith looks every way at the crossroads before taking the best rout.
Perhaps faith can be measured by judgement after all?
Perhaps faith is ultimate enlightenment?
Faith can be measured by awareness of you and your reality?
Measure faith on impact upon others?
You may not take the quickest road because you know you need the journey?
Are you stronger the quicker you realise you are wrong?
Again can faith be measured by right and or wrong?
Who's right, who's wrong?