@Arjuna,
Arjuna;103884 wrote:The idea of natural selection permeates my thoughts to the point that I'd have to try to see things differently. Yet, I grew up in a rigid Christian framework. I think I'm like the little Irish lady who when asked if there are fairies, says.. of course not... but they're there. Could you explain irreducible complexity and violations of the second law of thermodynamics?
Honestly, that should be the correct way to look at things in general, let alone science. The funny thing behind the strain between evolution and intelligent design is that it is not as cut and dry as many people may think. Where an evolutionist may say that the absence of a definite origin (perhaps God) does not disprove the existence of a thing, a theist may say that the existence of a thing is evidence of the maker of that thing. Like Donald Rumsfeld said, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. LOL! But the wonderful thing is that the finite parts are somewhat looked over when the discussion is started. Seriously, what about the finite parts that make up the whole? There are numerous intermediates in the evolutionary process that improve on the previous design, yet the fact that we observe a progression means there is probably some ontological chain going back to the beginning (where the big abstract issue resides). Its like this metaphysics joke;
Alan: Atlas holds the world on his shoulders. But what holds Atlas up?
Bob: A giant turtle
Alan: But what holds that turtle up?
Bob: Another turtle.
Alan: But what holds that turtle up?
Bob: My friend, its turtles all the way down.
LOL! So don't dismiss the existence of fairies, because there is bound to be a turtle under all of us. Wait, that doesn't make any sense at all.
On the irreducible complexity principle and the second law of thermodynamics as applied to evolution, chances are you have already heard of them, just not in that way. In the case of irreducible complexity, there are some cellular functions that that we
direly need to keep the whole package going, like blood clotting and stuff like that. The question could then be asked how on earth a little piece of the bigger puzzle like blood clotting can be created via the process of evolution/natural selection? Its actually a very interesting debate. In the case of the second law of thermodynamics, the argument essentially is that things do not organize in random occurrence, but become more disorganized. Its entropy applied to biology. The jumble that is the evolutionary process is, as some would point out, encapsulated in a closed system (life boat earth), which essentially means that the chances for disorder exponentially increases. But we get energy from the sun and stuff like that so it's not really a closed system. Interesting stuff.
Arjuna;103884 wrote:That's so human. I used to work with old computers... they caused me to become superstitious. To this day, I jokingly caution people not to say mean things about a computer when they're standing right in front of it. There's an irrational me down inside that's not joking. I hope Butters didn't buy into the mania. Did you see the one where Butters killed a bunch of people while tap dancing?
On that note, you might like this;
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