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What is it with you guys and way too long posts?
. . . it seems Sun has a lot on his mind. Huh? let's let him vent. It's good for the soul.
William, that is definitely not the case here. It is far more evident that that poster has too little on his mind--in the sense of consolidation (in other words, control). Though such a straightforward observation may be a bit hard to swallow, such randomness of incoherent thought, is far more often than not, the sign of lack of consolidation of mind.
In your opening post, even, you told us that your OP had been written two years ago, so that also, is not really letting out, in need of getting a fresh breath of air. It is sharing, yes, but not a present psychological need, is it?
However, the one major connection you seem to be drawing, is that the presentation asserted as finalized truth of the world condition at present, is directly resultant due to a said truth of an opposing act against "god." Yet, it is also asserted that we (that is the total of all H. sapiens, and otherwise which have ever, and will ever, live on this planet) are a part of "god," and further more, that we have 'power of attorney' (if you will) over that "god."
This simply does not make any sense at all, simply because, you are working hard at trying to condem something which you apparently concede as being purely natural and uncontrollable circumstances. Additionally, your effort to deny wanting to talk in religious belief-system terms, seems to stain much of your prose.
Then, of course, one would perhaps be pushed to ask, regardless of the poetic beauty and creativness of imagination, why, really, all the second person accusation?
Time spent with William;
*I already lost this once so i will not be rushing.*
I would say that you are all of those things in mine own eyes, a scholar, a philosopher, a prophet etc, but perhaps in this case we are what others believe in us to be, which is everything and nothing, which lends itself to direct us to be better at least for others sake.
So i would say you are all of these things and more because i experience you in these ways and in a way no-one else ever could (including yourself).This is meant to be a compliment.
'The truth' or any number of single first truths, making one whole truth?
Nothing of the world, but you.
Is our experience worldly or planetary put in its place?
Does experience have placement?
Did you not look to re-live it? your epiphany, consensus, peace?Or i think you gave the answer, it only needs to happen just the once.The meaning of life. Or the meaning of your life.
Oh but you are still unique.
For the longest time and sometimes still do, doubt i am human, but once one starts to love others they realize they would be best if they were all common hero human.
'Longest' here i denote to experience, not time.
You will be the architects of the future or you can only come up with the answer 'end'.
Eternity transcends time, dont you think?
You can't count out eternity.
You are not all these things individually, but together (even if alone) you are the all and the more, as am I. You were made to order for the Earth.
Everything has rhythm, dum dee dee dum. Rhythm; regular repeated pattern, movement, beat or/and sequence of events.
Not 'perfectly' but the best it can be and better, which may be the form of which perfection is born, if not for its growing pains of imperfection, so we go on.
We don't get sick so we die, we get sick so we can get better. Better at everything.
a way to live' better. Which coincides with survival.
We survive to do be better, Evolve if you will. Growth takes evolution. Evolution takes survival.
Genius if meant for anything is to be shared.
You are right, you cannot conceptualise truth, you either are or are. Others decide if you are not. Only you know the truth of your own are, being.
Define valuable stuff?
Many have value instead of truth.
just as many have both as neither.
I cannot decide for you as i find it hard enough to keep my own.
Paradox is something that doesn't work when it should.And works despite the fact it shouldn't. (we are paradox?)
But we may be born with the answers, just not how to reference them, which is the tool of the past, it puts us, the me i dont know in context with another me or another us, context of yesterday, today, then tomorrow. Even if that context was is will not me? (be)
You learn from them, they learn from you, it is cycle, it goes constantly around and around and around again and again and again.
the only beginning (start on the wheel) is birth?
Can't help jumping, it is that context thing again.
We are all hypocrites?
To not be means we have stopped changing, learning, evolving. So all good humans participants are all good hypocrites.
God is always user-friendly,.....
........it is its context and hypocricy and paradox, instilling unfamiliar fear to not use it the way of which each of us knows innately it works, not the how or why but that it works and teaches not always ever how.
But God is what works.
But because of religion is the sad abuse, we must suffer our understanding must suffer, but so does God suffer.
There is something wrong with religion
What does it mean to conceptualize something? Can anyone explain that to me?
.......that makes us fear such an amorphous word form term abbreviation as 'God'. The concept by any other name would not be God? God dog eye I eye god dog.
Not offended a little sad.
It reminds me of all the time i spent without God
just because there was no word without past no word that was a safe place of free expression of Divine Grace, you see is till have a problem with trying to pin 'God' down but it can be fun, thinking of all that would encapsulate the term that is God.
I am it. Unless to weak to be anything (or is that 'not' be anything?)
Hope is contiguous/contingent upon one thing, It has not yet happened. Future. Nothing follows it merely comes after. Future.
We record nothing that we do not wish to re-live,........
..........or must be.
What we record we need to relive the mind does that automatically; It's what we don't need to relive we hold on to that causes us to be ill at ease.
Differently sure, but record is another matter for future. What goes around never comes back, but forward into something new. Future.
Never heard of free will being described as autonomous.
But i wont disagree.What have i learned? enough to keep on learning.
Are you going in the right direction?
Does 'right' mean directed?
Are you getting better or worse?
better at being worse
worse at being better
I am better by the fact that i need others approval, opinion, approbation, respect.
If not the conclusion personal
What do i see? I don't fully rightly know, but it is not by my will alone,
or maybe this is correct; Life is nothing if not my will to live it.
There is a song on youtube, you m ay not like but it gives the message of what you are worrying about the comsumption of the planet. NY Excuse by SoulWax. To survive need not be desperate, it may also be soothing, none of the above soothes.
Not lucky, diligent, trying, surviving.
Nothing especially heaven is certain, (chioce is suspect)
Not 'commanded' but led somewhere, by something else, yes.
Which we try to incorporate history for all its ever changing (as us) winds.
Our own will, even if autonomous is our first control (choice),
lest it be taken, or worse given away? even more that only briefest of moments.
Eternity of without is a moment without the soul, time even ceases to be, which i suppose does confirm some link between time and eternity, but still not so sure.
Nail (in) on (your my) the head.
WE make our own mistakes even if led by the giving up of the will.
Forced would be a better word.
We all like (accede) too much to be coerced, lied to, seduced or manipulated.
It takes heavy stresses to keep your own will intact, it is hard (at times), people don't care that the fall will be harder, (also something to do with not ever really believing there will be a future because we are not presently living it.)
Imperfection on my your own.
Heaven is where we come form as much as the going, if not a little less or more on the side of birth and death. Coming and going.(around and around) Hell is all going.
Perfect being conception and destruction perhaps?
We don't make mistakes, mistakes make us?
Religion relieves us of culpability?
but does it not also extol the virtues of consequence?
Unless consequence is also the fate acomplie 'we dont make mistakes' (hope i got that right)
We need first to battle evil, that is what makes it so fearsome, because we know we must face it, we cannot hide from it forever, it is coming for us and we must be ready to deflect defend from it.
God didn't create flawed man he created will, and in our taking it, we flawed it ourselves. and another concept to prove (accept), 'God' was the equivalent 'devil' Good is one step away from God Devil is one step closer to evil.
Could it be forever?
If its not then hell can only get worse. Not just for me but for the us.
But surely history is how we measure eternity, else why bother regard, why add or subtract, why equate, why measure, why standardise, why arithmetic, why magnitude?
But as i said before eternity is not a, has no number. we are that with the need to measure to know where we are as well as who we are.
We define ourselves by age rather than spirit.
Let's hope we can improve on that, huh?
*I have not finished but don't want to lose it all again, CUP OF TEA.*
Hi Lily, it seems Sun has a lot on his mind. Huh? let's let him vent. It's good for the soul.
William, that is definitely not the case here. It is far more evident that this poster has too little on his mind--in the sense of consolidation (in other words, control).
Though such a straightforward observation may be a bit hard to swallow, such randomness of incoherent thought, is far more often than not, the sign of lack of consolidation of mind.
In your opening post, even, you told us that your OP had been written two years ago, so that also, is not really letting out, in need of getting a fresh breath of air. It is sharing, yes, but not a present psychological need, is it?
However, the one major connection you seem to be drawing, is that the presentation asserted as finalized truth of the world condition at present, is directly resultant due to a said truth of an opposing act against god.
Yet, it is also asserted that we (that is the total of all H. sapiens, and otherwise which have ever, and will ever, live on this planet) are a part of god, and further more, that we have 'power of attorney' (if you will) over that god.
This simply does not make any sense at all, simply because, you are working hard at trying to condemn........
something which you apparently concede as being purely natural and uncontrollable circumstances.
Additionally, your effort to deny wanting to talk in religious belief-system terms, seems to stain much of your prose.
It's when you use what you have in memory that is not connected and something on the outside triggers the unity. Like you have found a "missing piece" to what you have held in memory that completes it or makes it more efficient. That is the creation of an idea. When we think, we are trying to conceptualize to see if we can make it fit with what we already have.
What gives us headaches its too much stuff in memory that is incomplete and nothing seems to fit. One loses focus. If you are able to "purge" what you don't need, it becomes much easier to for ideas to form or put to better use.
What is remarkable about this is the mind will do it unaided by you. It does in automatically because the pieces fit so easily. Nothing gets "in their way" so go speak. Like Edison when someone asked him about all his failures in creating the light bulb. He responded "I didn't fail. I just found a thousand ways in which it wouldn't work". Ha!
Here is where "God in motion" comes into play. You are led to that which is complimentary to what you have previously experienced once the excess baggage is eliminated. YOU CAN'T FORGET WHAT IS COMMON TO YOU. It's "welded in". Serendipity happens and everything, people, places and things guide you, to help you grow gathering that which enhances you.
You will become aware of those things that do not fit as they just seem to go in one ear and out the other an just don't stick, nor do they linger.
Now that's what I think, ha!
William
You'd better give me an example. Someone told me to conceptualize existence. How would I go about doing that?
I can't do that. No "one" can. Your existence is a part of all our existence's.
No "one" has an idea of what all that represents. I just know chaos is not a part of it. And to do so is what chaos is all about. All you know for sure, is what your senses have given you that "they" experience.............personally. Even you, consciously, can't remember all that. The mind, itself, blocks some of it out, for your protection. What you are is how well you relate to that environment you are exposed to, now, within your reach. Do that, and you are ahead of the game, most can't.
Now the mind, at peace, will automatically, "latch" on to that which is complimentary to it. Though some of the pieces will still be missing, it will all make sense.....later. Don't rush it and try to make it fit. Of course if the mind is at peace you wouldn't do that for you would know it and not be in a hurry.
Now there are some choices available to you. If you are comfortable in your environment..........good. You will learn new things from it for it does not trouble you and you will adapt to those things that are presented to you that are complimentary to that environment, without effort; added to what you already know that keeps you from getting bored. It will alter or enhance your thinking for the better and you will be better for it.
Now if you are uncomfortable with your environment, you should have the freedom to move about. If not, then you will have to make the best of what you do have. You have no choice in that matter. If you do try to change it, that's okay if only you exist there. If others do, to do so, would be to change theirs also and you must not do that. That would be an imposition on others as they have the same rights you do. It is permissible to ask and if all agree, then all benefit...........for the better as there is more to rely upon.
I hoped this helped. If not, please try to be a bit more specific.:bigsmile:
Thanks,
William
All right. How do I conceptualize frying pans? I am just trying to find out what it means to conceptualize. I have no idea. But you seem to know. So you pick an example and explain it to me.
I must be dumb, because I have no idea how to conceptualize the history etc. of the universe. I don't even know what it would be like for me to succeed in dong such a thing. Could you do it for me so that I will have an example of conceptualization? Or, if not the universe, then how about beef stew, or spaghetti? Let's start small, and then work up.
Are you aware of the concept of a chair? If so, you've conceptualized a chair. It just means to form a concept of X in your mind. It's really not any more complicated than that, and I don't understand what you don't understand.
Perhaps you should follow the link I posted and read up on it. The first entry on google should probably suffice.