@Shostakovich phil,
Shostakovich;99351 wrote:
The poor die off to the tune of 30,000 children each day, but the population keeps rising because the ethic of those who have them by the truck load seems to be, some of these sickly children might survive to take care of us, and some might live long enough to get sponsored by some rich person who'll send us money. So it can be argued that sponsorship results in third world countries spawning more children, and hence, more poverty, more starvation, and a need for even more sponsorship. Is this why there's more sponsorship adds on television now than in the past? There certainly are more of these adds.
I agree. Whenever you give someone fish, you make it less likely that they will try to get fish by thenselves, and also less likely that they will know how to do so then they need.
Shostakovich;99351 wrote:
This is also why I refuse to sponsor a child. Am I being unethical? I don't think so. As for those who do sponsor third world children, I won't applaud them. In fact, I'd argue that their supposed altruistic behaviour is not ethical if it results in more poverty in the end. I'd even call their actions irresponsible and shortsighted. This is the same reason I'm against any nation sending any other nation any kind of foreign aid. We've got homeless people on the streets in our own town. And the analogy I think would be something like this:
If my neighbour living next door has a child who's hungry. And I have a child who is hungry, who's child should I feed? Our foreign policy as it stands is saying: Ignore your own child and feed your neighbour's child. It's your moral imperative!
This is bullshit, pure and simple. As long as there is one homeless person on the streets of Vancouver's eastside (home to Canada's most downtrodden) then not even one cent of taxpayers money should be going to third world nations.
I agree, but I would go further and say that even if your country is an utopia it shouldnt share its resources with another country, wich will just go to waste. It should only try to help and stabilize that society once it has been assimilated and under political control.
As for foreign aid, I think there it should be provided in case of emergencies (such as a volcano going boom) but it should be carefully planned as to not aid the reckless (those who did not protect thenselves from a fairly detectable treat)
Shostakovich;99351 wrote:
The reason I refuse to have children (I've convinced my wife to my position and she's actually happy for it) is because of one reason alone: We can't afford it.
I refuse to bring a child into the world if I cannot provide for the child and make life as easy as possible for them, financially speaking. Otherwise, I think I would make a fantastic father, mainly because I have a compassionate and understanding wife with high moral fibre. I think the world would be far better off if everyone thought my way, but of course this is arrogant, isn't it?
I agree with that also, if you dont think you have the conditions to have children, its better not to. You can be a philosopher, our world needs more of then =)
Declaring you have a superior idea is not necessarly arrogant. If it is, or not, depends of whenever this idea is indeed superior or not. Also, the only true problem to arrogance is that you can less than you perceive, the rest is just the disgust people arrogantly (irony) fell then someone claims to be better than then =)
Shostakovich;99351 wrote:
But the economic system we're governed by demands that most of the population be of a lower education and working class, not lawyers/doctors/rocket scientists etc., but just menial lower class labourers, to make the system work. If there were no peons where would the kings and queens be? So shy would I want to contribute to such a sickening system of deliberately induced impoverishment and slavery?
We will always need people who are more important and thus receive more from the society, but I suppose we could carefully balance it so both sides fell confortable with their shares
Shostakovich;99351 wrote:
One ending note: "If all the humans on earth suddenly dropped dead all the animals would offer up one great collective sigh of relief."
Not all animals are windered by us, some, such as rats, are helped, and some others, such as dogs, have already adapted to living with us.
They would also lose their current protection against asteroids (that still needs some tunning though), and their spreading across the universe would be severly delayed (until another intelligent species evolved), if not cripled altogheder. Where I am assuming that humans, who are afraid of the unknow, will take animals from earth with then when and if they colonize the universe =)
gojo1978;99400 wrote:
Why oh why would anyone in their right mind think being born and trapped in work for 60 years was a worthwhile endeavour? Keep it! I'm sure when I was just a random collection of atoms floating around the cosmos unconsciously, I was perfectly okay. That is how my children shall remain.
Why subject them to this?
Indeed, but now we are born, and there is nothing we can do about it. (If you suicide you will just go elsewhere, its no good).
But, somehow, it doesnt make sense to me to not have children as to not subject then to suffering. With an infinite of minds being created into an infinity of worlds, one or ten or ten billion more cant make any difference. Like, if you dont do that, and infinity of other people will do it for you, making the whole thing pointless. Whats the point of not throwing garbage in a river if there is a constant, massive divine flow of garbage into this same river?
Suming it up, I think we shouldnt try to guess whenever the child will be glad for living when deciding if we will have it =)
manfred;99437 wrote:So your just a collection of some random atoms trapped together working in perfect harmony to achieve absolutly nothing?Is that really any different than floating around trying to achieve nothing?.....Rubbish!
What does a wonderful life have to do with anything,life sucks,but just because you dont appreciate this contradictory state of being doesn't mean your children wont....Rubbish!
You want to know what i think gogo,i think your brain needs a hug.
I cant logically conceive an universe where there is something to be achieved.
My argument against using future suffering as an argument to not have children also goes against your argument of using future happines as an argument to have children. Aka: Both things dont make sense =)
His brain is in the right place and diameter, dont you be hugging it.