Is Obama the Antichrist?

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Zetherin
 
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:47 am
@xris,
xris;95193 wrote:
I have no problem with intelligent objections but the health for wealth lobby are determined it wont see the light of day because of vested interests. Any one with any sense must see that your health system stinks, not unless your in insurance or the mediracket.


But the lobbyists (and vested interests) aren't exclusive to healthcare is all I'm saying. People are paid off all the time for various things - that's just the nature of the game, man. Money rules, and most people in office will do what's in their best interest.

Oh, and even though I work in healthcare, I would definitely be receptive to criticism about our healthcare system. I just don't want people quoting from the movie "Sicko", without actually doing research into the matter themselves. :bigsmile:
 
xris
 
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 12:11 pm
@Zetherin,
Zetherin;95202 wrote:
But the lobbyists (and vested interests) aren't exclusive to healthcare is all I'm saying. People are paid off all the time for various things - that's just the nature of the game, man. Money rules, and most people in office will do what's in their best interest.

Oh, and even though I work in healthcare, I would definitely be receptive to criticism about our healthcare system. I just don't want people quoting from the movie "Sicko", without actually doing research into the matter themselves. :bigsmile:
Because everyone is doing it, does it make it right? The proportion of the 70,000 lobbyists that inhabit washington, the vast majority are either military or medical. The vested interests stand against those who are least able to make their voices heard.

Don't take criticism of system so personal, your not a guard at the barbed wired gates, well i hope not. I do have a small amount of knowledge on your system and the costs to those who cant afford it. In my opinion it is sick and only major surgery can help.
 
Zetherin
 
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 12:19 pm
@Arjuna,
xris wrote:

Because everyone is doing it, does it make it right? The proportion of the 70,000 lobbyists that inhabit washington, the vast majority are either military or medical. The vested interests stand against those who are least able to make their voices heard.


I don't think it's right either. But alas, it happens.

Quote:

Don't take criticism of system so personal, your not a guard at the barbed wired gates, well i hope not. I do have a small amount of knowledge on your system and the costs to those who cant afford it. In my opinion it is sick and only major surgery can help.


Oh, I'm not taking it personal at all. I thought your remark "unless you work in healthcare...", after I had just said I work in healthcare, was a way to say to me that you thought I was going to take it personal. My remarks after that were to assure you that I'm not taking it personal. I'm receptive to criticism, regardless if it's related to my country or job (as anyone should be).
 
xris
 
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 12:32 pm
@Zetherin,
Well we agree , but whats the answer and should Americans, who like you understand, be as vocal as those with vested interests? It only takes one honest man..
 
Zetherin
 
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 12:52 pm
@Arjuna,
I think there are many that are vocal about what is right, but they just aren't heard because they don't have the moola. One honest rich man, maybe, but an honest man without money means little nowadays...
 
Didymos Thomas
 
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:07 pm
@Zetherin,
But Obama is the Anti-Christ....

The Lord sent his Angel to me so that I might testify to everything I have seen - that is, the word of God and the message of Jesus Christ. I looked and beheld a door, a door open to Heaven. And I heard a voice, as a trumpet, and it said unto me:

"Come hither and I will show you that which must be hereafter."

And I was then in the spirit: and behold, I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had dark skin, a blasphemous smiling face, bright ideas, and was capable of eloquent discourse. The beast I saw resembled a decent President, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like a lion...

I think I saw him turn into a reptile for a second before turning back into a man. Yep, I'm sure of it actually...

...I bet I can get 666 out of his name with a bit of old Nostradamus reasoning.
 
Marat phil
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 04:37 am
@Arjuna,
[SIZE="4"]Nostradamus[/SIZE] catrene:

Quand l'animal а l'homme domestique,
Apres grands peines & sauts viendra parler,
Le foudre а vierge sera si malefique,
De terre prinse & suspendue en l'air


falce Translate:

When the animal а the domestic man,
Bitter big troubles and jumps will come to speak,
Virgin lightning а will be if malefique,
From prinse earth and suspended in air.

Real translate:

כאשר а חיים למשרת איש,
לאחר מזנק נהדר כאבים יבוא לדבר
: а ברק בתולה יהיה מזיק מאוד,
נלקח מתוך האדמה תלויה באוויר

Final translate

When a servant living а,
after leaping to great pains come
: а Barack virgin will be very harmful,
Taken from suspended ground



Barack - Obama ?

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[SIZE="4"]Great KEY - its Hebrew[/SIZE]
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 06:57 am
@Zetherin,
That's a faulty democracy. How much does it cost to promote one of our members for a State Congress, say Kansas ? Yust curious.

PepI
& Co

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O r Arnold Schwarzeneger...Governor of CA married Kennedy:bigsmile:Laughing
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 07:05 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 08:21 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
O r Arnold Schwarzeneger...Governor of CA married Kennedy:bigsmile:Laughing
 
Marat phil
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 08:40 am
@Arjuna,
Barack (Obama) - is "virgin" ?
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 08:56 am
@Marat phil,
Marat;157539 wrote:
Barack (Obama) - is "virgin" ?

If silver turned that black it's a lot of polishing to do. May bee Sophia Can Help !
 
Marat phil
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 09:14 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;157546 wrote:
If silver turned that black it's a lot of polishing to do. May bee Sophia Can Help !


:whoa-dude: Yeah. This is may be....

But All know in 16 - century's France about American president what it "virgin".
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 10:29 am
@Marat phil,
Virginia Virginia Virginia
 
Pyrrho
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 11:22 am
@Arjuna,
Arjuna;95150 wrote:
News from the front:

I've been asking more people I know about Obama being the actual Antichrist and my feeling of being in a Twilight Zone episode grows. It's like they all went to a meeting I wasn't invited to. Some of them begin quoting passages from Revelations. They don't all necessarily believe it, but they don't seem to have my sense of having just walked into a work of fiction, or somehow stepped into a medieval painting. [emphasis added] I'm still trying to figure out what's going on here. And William: so far, the groups I've found which seems to be immune from the shenanigans is immigrants and liberals. The guy from Kenya just stared at me when I asked. My friends don't think Obama is the Antichrist. When I brought it up to them, they just fired off as if it was a matter of politics. They didn't seem to understand: there is a strain of folklore here that has taken hold in what I will testify are really normal people. Maybe I didn't really understand what normal people are in the first place. I assume this is some regional issue.



You must not have been paying attention to what people have been saying in the past about things other than Obama. Many people have a medieval view of the world, and rail against every modern idea, generally except for those that enable technology (that, however, is based upon modern ideas, but they are sufficiently ignorant of such things to exclude technology). It is not a "regional" issue; it is a religious issue. The idea that Obama is the antichrist is no more insane than many other beliefs that "ordinary" people have.

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Arjuna;95179 wrote:
First of all, I don't really hold myself as the standard for what's sane. I don't actually know they're delusional because I can't point to any criteria for determining who's sane. I notice my emotional reaction to the people I've been talking about is one of concern. From my point of view, they seem to be lost in illusion. So far, none of them has placed much significance to Obama being black. [emphasis added] There's more focus on the possibility that he's secretly a Muslim. This goes back to the old meaning of the Antichrist as one who hides a horrible truth. The fact that Obama is black is not hidden... and his race doesn't really push any horror buttons. One guy brought up the notion that Obama is leading the country toward socialism. I could have launched into a long lecture about the US culture's ongoing progression toward socialism, but instead I just mentioned that the economic crisis we're in preceeded Obama. "yea, but he's making it worse." was basically the response. I definitely think that the US culture has been operating on "crisis overload" for decades now. It's seemed that any way one turns, there's some unsolvable impending catastrophic event. I have noticed that every generation does a certain amount of suggesting that things were much better in the old days. It adds a little drama to life to imagine that our times are dramatically worse. Nevertheless, I believe that the banking system of the US has been unstable for years, that we've been living with known facts about the financial underpinnings of Medicare and Social Security... but just tossing concern into the pile of "problems with no solution." The grave atrocity I see Obama committing is that he's not ignoring the pile. I'm wondering if the backlash toward Obama is a desire to kill the messenger.

Ok, so this is what scares me: as we proceed in the coming years through some difficult adjustments, we need to operate with a little faith that everything's going to be ok... that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. This "blaming" thing obviously has Muslims tangled up in it... and the addition of supernatural images of doom and abomination is unnerving. I won't stand for it... like I know what to do about it. The truth is I don't know what to do about the foggy image I see in the crystal ball. Do I just toss it on the "unsolvable problems" pile? Do I face it and diffuse some of its energy by going "German" on my aquaintances and asking them to "get real?" As I said: in regard to Bush being just like Hitler, I learned that arguing only solidified my friend's notions.

What I meant by returning to trust, is the idea that you should be the way you want your world to be. I want people to have trust in each other, in America, and trust that whatever the future holds, we'll handle it.



These days, it is not fashionable in most circles to admit to being racist, so racists tend to disguise their racism by pretending that there is something else that is bothering them when they make public statements. So most racists today who have a problem with a black president are going to make up some other excuse to hate him, regardless of the real motives.

This, of course, does not mean that everyone who dislikes Obama is a racist, but some of them are and do not admit that that is a factor in their dislike of him.
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Wed 28 Apr, 2010 01:31 pm
@Pyrrho,
Virginia,
West Virginia,
District of Columbia

Washington
Capitol
Supreme Court
war Office

Admirality
Pentagon

Staten Island
Statue of Liberty

Time Square
15.000.000.000.000 etc

Triljoen = 10 ^?
Wall Street II

PS

---------- Post added 04-28-2010 at 12:36 PM ----------

Is O'Sama the Antichrist?

Funny in a western country I could not say this about our Queen. I could say it about her son though...

I do enjoy the discussion but for an atheist its just a hard to believe in an antichrist. Just in case; carlic is ready and at hand.
 
xris
 
Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 04:50 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
The antichrist cream developed to avoid dogmatic attitudes. Rub it on your knees to stop prayer mat rash and on your nose to stop you telling porkies about your beliefs. Manufactured by the well known, Dawkins delusional remedies corporation.
 
 

 
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