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TickTockMan
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 05:03 pm
@William,
William;78678 wrote:

As far as boring, some of the problems people face and their helplessness in understanding their nature, leads to a boredom we call clinical depression, IMO.

William


Oh please tell me you're not suggesting that clinical depression is a form of boredom . . . .
 
William
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 05:39 pm
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;78694 wrote:
Oh please tell me you're not suggesting that clinical depression is a form of boredom . . . .


Absolutely! They are most definitely linked. Just type in boredom in you browser and see for yourself. I found these two in a matter of minutes.


(1)" Boredom, or ennui (pronounced "on-we," this French word comes from Old French enui, root of the English word 'annoy') is a reactive state to wearingly dull, repetitive, or tedious stimuli: suffering from a lack of interesting things to see, hear, etc., or do (physically or intellectually), while not in the mood of "doing nothing". Those afflicted by temporary boredom may regard the affliction as a waste of time, but usually characterise boredom worse than just that. Alternatively one may have the feeling that having too much spare time causes boredom. Indeed, time often appears to move more slowly to someone suffering from boredom. This results from the way in which the human mind measures the passage of time, by the frequency of notable events, the absence of which may cause the feeling of boredom. Boredom can also occur as a symptom of clinical depression."

(2)Boredom has been defined by C. D. Fisher in terms of its central psychological processes: "an unpleasant, transient affect
Affect

The term Affect generally suggests an emotion. It is used in various ways in various contexts:* Affect .* Affect , referring to feeling or emotion....
ive state in which the individual feels a pervasive lack of interest
Interest (emotion)

Interest is a feeling or emotion that causes attention to focus on an object or an event or a process. In contemporary psychology of interest it is used as a general concept which encompasses other more specific emotion terms, such as curiosity and to a certain degree surprise , in a similar way the general term anger encompasses other terms...
in and difficulty concentrating on the current activity." M. R. Leary and others describe boredom as "an affective experience associated with cognitive attentional processes." These definitions make it clear that boredom arises not from a lack of things to do but from the inability to latch onto any specific activity. Nothing engages us, despite an often profound desire for engagement.

There are three types of boredom, all of which involve problems of engagement of attention
Attention

Attention is the cognitive process of selectively concentrating on one aspect of the environment while ignoring other things. Examples include listening carefully to what someone is saying while ignoring other conversations in a room or listening to a cell phone conversation while driving a car....
. These include times when we are prevented from engaging in something, when we are forced to engage in some unwanted activity, or when we are simply unable, for no apparent reason, to maintain engagement in any activity or spectacle. Boredom proneness is a tendency to experience boredom of all types. This is typically assessed by the Boredom Proneness Scale. Consistent with the definition provided above, recent research has found that boredom proneness is clearly and consistently associated with failures of attention
Attention

Attention is the cognitive process of selectively concentrating on one aspect of the environment while ignoring other things. Examples include listening carefully to what someone is saying while ignoring other conversations in a room or listening to a cell phone conversation while driving a car....
. Boredom and boredom proneness are both theoretically and empirically linked to depression
Depression (mood)

In the fields of psychology and psychiatry, the terms depression or depressed refer to sadness and other related emotions and behaviours. It can be thought of as either a disease or a syndrome....
and depressive symptoms. Nonetheless, boredom proneness has been found to be as strongly correlated with attentional lapses as with depression. Although boredom is often viewed as a trivial and mild irritant, proneness to boredom has been linked to a very diverse range of possible psychological, physical, educational, and social problems.

William
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 05:50 pm
@William,
Yet nowhere here does it suggest that boredom is a form of clinical depression. A symptom or an indicator, perhaps yes. But a form . . . ? I don't think so.
 
William
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 05:59 pm
@TickTockMan,
TickTockMan;78707 wrote:
Yet nowhere here does it suggest that boredom is a form of clinical depression. A symptom or an indicator, perhaps yes. But a form . . . ? I don't think so.


We can assume boredom proneness then is a "mild" form of depression, that can get out of hand when one cannot find away of "offset" that ennui. Such as might be described as helplessness. They are linked.

William
 
TickTockMan
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 06:07 pm
@William,
We could assume that, but I don't think it would be correct to do so across the board. Certainly not in the case of Clinical Depression, which should never be confused with simply being depressed.
 
William
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 06:16 pm
@glasstrees,
It starts somewhere. I can't think of anything else that would be more appropriate, though I will readily admit I am no authority on the subject. I am not making light of depression by any means. I have seen it up close and very personal and I can guarantee you it is the vison of "extreme bordom' to the nth degree.

William
 
salima
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 06:57 pm
@manored,
manored;78664 wrote:
Can you be drunk and depressed at once? I have never been drunk, so I dont know =)

But I dont get depressed about life while deluding myself about it, since it seens the whole point of deluding about it is not get depressed about it. If you see it in a broader view though, as in, whole life, then I think we can put an "and" there =)


i think deluding oneself about life can end in nothing else but depression, probably because i am an optimist and believe that the truth about what life is ...is not depressing. therefor depression itself is an illusion over an illusion so to speak. some people cope with life by deluding themselves-some become become addicted to things in life or life itself, and addiction always leads to delusion.

but in the medical aspect, i think clinical depression can only be caused by chemical or physical abnormalities in the brain. that is why one can rarely if ever 'get out of it' without help. even when it has been controlled and compensated for by behavior methods, it can always creep back into the frame of mind and outlook. but the good news is that it is possible to learn to recognize it and observe it and more or less greet it like an old acquaintance that you really wish had not stopped in to see you again.

as far as boredom-i would say depression would be more likely to cause boredom than the other way around.
 
manored
 
Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2009 08:53 pm
@salima,
salima;78726 wrote:
i think deluding oneself about life can end in nothing else but depression, probably because i am an optimist and believe that the truth about what life is ...is not depressing. therefor depression itself is an illusion over an illusion so to speak. some people cope with life by deluding themselves-some become become addicted to things in life or life itself, and addiction always leads to delusion.
I too am optimistic, yet I cannot deny the depressive side of the lack of true, definite meaning in life. So I delude myself by looking at the bright side: No true, definite meaning means no true, definite worries =)

Not sure if closing your eyes to one possibility can really be called self delusion though, maybe its just "looking on the bright side".
 
glasstrees
 
Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 11:06 am
@manored,
Depression definitely comes from boredom. Or denying things are challanges rather than problems.

Depression is a problem of our ego. Its just as true as any other emotion we can feel. But the truth is neutral. No conciousness is neutral. enlightenment if you will.

I believe that we are already this enlightened being. As one. thats what consciousness is. All is consciousness. All is god. But we limit it down to our ego's for fun and games.
 
manored
 
Reply Sun 26 Jul, 2009 11:24 am
@glasstrees,
dwixi;79626 wrote:
Depression definitely comes from boredom. Or denying things are challanges rather than problems.

Depression is a problem of our ego. Its just as true as any other emotion we can feel. But the truth is neutral. No conciousness is neutral. enlightenment if you will.

I believe that we are already this enlightened being. As one. thats what consciousness is. All is consciousness. All is god. But we limit it down to our ego's for fun and games.
Depression also has biologic causes though, sometimes winhout any need for psychologic factors at all. Luckly that type can be treated, at least to some point, with medicine. I wonder if people like this are really unhappy though, or if they are just having they view of reality "warped".
 
Phredderikk
 
Reply Mon 27 Jul, 2009 12:29 pm
@glasstrees,
dwixi;73353 wrote:
It seems that everything I seek. Its just pointless. It just turns out to b some guy that is easily debunked by science. All peoples complicated theories.. Theres really no point if its the ultimet truth you want to seek. Everything just seems to be a reflection of my doubts or hopes about reality.

I want something fundamental. Im getting more sure that there is no truth what so ever. That statement that there is no truth is the only truth.. but even if you make that statement subject to bein not true then it still leads back to the statement.


Look what I just found.. this always happens. This is my main problem. It keeps happening. Everything I find. theres always some crazy oposeing story. In this case the oposeing story Is actually scary.



I relate to what you are experiencing. For me it is quite a blinding issue after about 10 years in Protestant Christianity in which I thought I actually knew the 'Truth'. I now see that any person, or group, that claims 'Truth' faces the problem that they cannot prove that they alone have it, or that any other who is in opposition is false. This goes for religion, philosophy and science. Not to mention that all views do not rest on the same foundation... fact, faith, speculation, etc.... I think the best we can do to avoid the problems of absurdity, or total despair, is to look at the world and existence in terms of 'meaning' as well as 'Truth'... 'Meaning' leaves more room for subjectivity, and a personal view since it is more elastic than 'Truth'. 'Truth' is... that's it... it 'IS'... and even if someone has had it, or does have it, there is still no absolute way to know...
 
glasstrees
 
Reply Fri 31 Jul, 2009 06:31 pm
@Phredderikk,
Phredderikk;79829 wrote:
I relate to what you are experiencing. For me it is quite a blinding issue after about 10 years in Protestant Christianity in which I thought I actually knew the 'Truth'. I now see that any person, or group, that claims 'Truth' faces the problem that they cannot prove that they alone have it, or that any other who is in opposition is false. This goes for religion, philosophy and science. Not to mention that all views do not rest on the same foundation... fact, faith, speculation, etc.... I think the best we can do to avoid the problems of absurdity, or total despair, is to look at the world and existence in terms of 'meaning' as well as 'Truth'... 'Meaning' leaves more room for subjectivity, and a personal view since it is more elastic than 'Truth'. 'Truth' is... that's it... it 'IS'... and even if someone has had it, or does have it, there is still no absolute way to know...


yeah definitely. I am finding this too. For example. Evolution. People stop at the idea. Life is here to best survive. But seriously. WHY THAT! Why would it have the nature to survive... why not evolve to best have enjoyment? Yeah, environment. but why even bother to evolve for that...

I think a better way to look at something like this is. They havnt evolved to survive but to experience higher and higher levles of consciousness. think about it. Basic life being aware of not much atall. Getting more and more complex and various as it evolves.

Just the fact that it does evolve doesnt really mean much.. Its like soo what..... Lots of things happen. Object doesnt have any value untill consciousness experiences it.
 
manored
 
Reply Sat 1 Aug, 2009 09:52 am
@glasstrees,
dwixi;80610 wrote:
yeah definitely. I am finding this too. For example. Evolution. People stop at the idea. Life is here to best survive. But seriously. WHY THAT! Why would it have the nature to survive... why not evolve to best have enjoyment? Yeah, environment. but why even bother to evolve for that...
It has the nature to survive because, in the beggining of life, those who had their nature towards survival are the only one who survived =)

In other words, its not that life only mutates towards survivability, but that only such mutations survive. So life only changes if that change will increase its survivability.
 
glasstrees
 
Reply Sat 1 Aug, 2009 01:36 pm
@manored,
manored;80717 wrote:
It has the nature to survive because, in the beggining of life, those who had their nature towards survival are the only one who survived =)

In other words, its not that life only mutates towards survivability, but that only such mutations survive. So life only changes if that change will increase its survivability.


Yeah. Thats like a cuase for another level though. The creture that is best at surviving tends the be the one that is most consciousness.
 
Didymos Thomas
 
Reply Sat 1 Aug, 2009 05:17 pm
@glasstrees,
Life is not here to best survive - evolution is not a purpose for living, only an explanation as to the origins of life and species. How we got here is not the same as why we are here. The process and purpose are not the same.
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Tue 11 Aug, 2009 05:06 am
@glasstrees,
I would recommend staying well clear of da-ism. It is definitely a cult. 'Adi da' was absolutely brilliant in some ways, verging on genius. A lot of heavyweights were taken in by him in the 80's. I read some of his books, which are quite brilliant in their own way. But it turned out very badly. It was a very shattering experience for some of those involved. Big red sign: danger, keep away.
 
 

 
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