Is there any crazy philosophy that thinks hevan is a man made thing? Like we kept evolving and expanding and we became such high beings that we pretty much made heaven. And once people died in the past we materialised them back into the future That would be very interesting.

Hi,

There are philosophies that embrace the notion of a transcendental soul - e.g., consciousness that spans multiple physical lives, and what is learned in one physical life is "remembered" in another physical life. You might call these inherited characteristics.

Rich

The truth is that we cannot fathom things like this because we are in this physical, subjective state of being. Trying to fathom with your brain the situation that you presented above, is not possible. We will find out the answer if and when this scenario happens.

Okay. So my consciousness attached too this body right now. On a physical level we know its the process of the cells in my brain working.

so lets say i was vaporised one day.

But we had the technology to recreate every cell of me once again. an exact copy (I don't want anyone debating if this is possible. Its hypothetical)

Even though I was vaporised. Would my consciousness be the same one as it was before i died? Would it just feel like a blanked out then woke up again? even though its completely not me.

This happens through a persons life doesnt it? By middle age every cell in your body is a different one to when you were born. So if it happens when you are alive surely it can happen after you are dead too?.

Very interesting question. I do not think that consciousness can remain in a detached state from the brain (or similar device). The brain specifically holds memory. Consciousness can not be isolated from the brain as this would break the link with memory, that is a feature of consciousness. This view is important to my spin on your questions.

If you mean your consciousness and memories can be presevered while a new body is contructed then yes, it is the same consciousness as before corporeal vaporisation.

If you mean that a new body was recreated exactly, including replicating every memory your previous body experienced except the memory of your body being vaporised, then a new consciousness would consider that no thing has occured that would make it consider it is a consciousness other than the original you. However it is a new consciosness, since the original was removed (and subsequently lost without the supportive memory to maintain it) and unless anyone has knowledge of these events, no one could tell it was a new you (scary thought indeed)

During life all your cells are not replaced at exactly the same moment. The same consciousness can be carried through. As there is no specific point where all links to the supportive structures are lost.

to the top quote. Interesting take. What if the brain was just a manifestation of your concept of memories on a deeper consciousness level. And it is just the physical reality manifestation?

So my consciousness attached too this body right now. On a physical level we know its the process of the cells in my brain working.

so lets say i was vaporised one day.

Would my consciousness be the same one as it was before i died?

Is there any crazy philosophy that thinks hevan is a man made thing?

If this;


'We' know no such thing. But for argument sake, I'll tentatively accept it.
So, 'your consciousness' is a 'result' of 'your' brain activity.
Ok...


No more brain, no more "brain activity".

But, if so, then the following;

...be answered in your first assertion!
No brain = no consciousness!
Death is end of consciousness (according to your parameters).
Nothing...


Most philosophies that utilize critical thought and/or logic and/or rationality and/or science would think so...
Most might say that Heaven is a 'belief' or a 'metaphor' or a 'Perspective'... but few thinking folks (it's for 'believing' folks) think that it is an actual 'physical' place.

I didnt mean Death is end of consciousness

I mean death is the end of limited consciousness back into the everything is possible consciousness

So, 'death' is the end of Conscious Perspective, us, yet there is no 'end' of Consciousness.
That is the way I see it (at the moment), also.

(You did define 'consciousness' as the result of a functioning brain. It was that offered definition that refuted the assumption of consciousness 'after' death.)

Yeah but i also said the physical brain was a manifestation of consciousness

I had this idea a cupple weeks ago and thought I would share it and see what you think.

Okay. So my consciousness attached too this body right now. On a physical level we know its the process of the cells in my brain working.

so lets say i was vaporised one day.

But we had the technology to recreate every cell of me once again. an exact copy (I don't want anyone debating if this is possible. Its hypothetical)

Even though I was vaporised. Would my consciousness be the same one as it was before i died? Would it just feel like a blanked out then woke up again? even though its completely not me.
This happens through a persons life doesnt it? By middle age every cell in your body is a different one to when you were born. So if it happens when you are alive surely it can happen after you are dead too?

Is there any crazy philosophy that thinks hevan is a man made thing? Like we kept evolving and expanding and we became such high beings that we pretty much made heaven. And once people died in the past we materialised them back into the future That would be very interesting.

so lets say i was vaporised one day.

But we had the technology to recreate every cell of me once again. an exact copy (I don't want anyone debating if this is possible. Its hypothetical)

Even though I was vaporised. Would my consciousness be the same one as it was before i died? Would it just feel like a blanked out then woke up again? even though its completely not me.
This happens through a persons life doesnt it? By middle age every cell in your body is a different one to when you were born. So if it happens when you are alive surely it can happen after you are dead too?

Ok, perhaps these old eyes are missing the obvious. Please highlight where you said that in your OP;

Paul made a thread about this not too long ago.

http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum/philosophy-forums/branches-philosophy/philosophy-mind/2676-thought-experiments-continuity-self.html

We talked about it for a little.... interesting idea nonetheless.

I came about that little 'thought experiment' of duplicating consciousness about a year ago but later found out it was originally conceived of by Dennett back in the 80s I believe. He made a short movie about it but I cant find it at the moment... Maybe tomorrow I'll find it and edit it back in this post.

If i was consciousness, (witch i am) I wouldn't want to not try out everything that is possible at one time or another.