Conflict of Expectation

@Icon,

Icon wrote:

So what does one do when their expectation of the self is perfection?

Realize that you, like everyone else, are not perfect. Then do your best job, given the means you have available, to complete goals that are most important to you.

@Pangloss,

Pangloss wrote:

Realize that you, like everyone else, are not perfect. Then do your best job, given the means you have available, to complete goals that are most important to you.

I understand that I am not perfect. Does that mean that it is a wasted endeavor?

@Icon,

Icon;58111 wrote:

I understand that I am not perfect. Does that mean that it is a wasted endeavor?

That we are not perfect beings is a fallacy created by our free will. We ARE perfect beings. It happens that we seem to carry a burden of shame as concerns our true nature, and are wont to see ourselves as flawed.

No endeavor is wasted when it is directed towards perfection.

@Doorsopen,

Doorsopen wrote:

That we are not perfect beings is a fallacy created by our free will. We ARE perfect beings. It happens that we seem to carry a burden of shame as concerns our true nature, and are wont to see ourselves as flawed.

No endeavor is wasted when it is directed towards perfection.

We may be perfect beings, but not perfect workers Smile

@Icon,

If perfection is perception then perfection is deception. If perfection is deception then rejection of the perception of perfection is the only proper retaliation.

Smile

@Doorsopen,

Doorsopen wrote:

That we are not perfect beings is a fallacy created by our free will. We ARE perfect beings. It happens that we seem to carry a burden of shame as concerns our true nature, and are wont to see ourselves as flawed.

Yes, we've heard this theory before. Unfortunately, it seems to disagree with our history; murdering, stealing, raping, pillaging...I guess this is all possible for perfect beings, simply because they carry a burden of shame? :sarcastic:

And if we are in fact, perfect, then no burden would affect us in such a way, because perfection should be incorruptible...or do you have some other idea of perfection? We are perfect underneath, but our "ego" tells us we are not? Sure, we might be perfectly suited as to our human nature, just as all rocks could be said to be perfect rocks, all dogs perfect dogs. But that doesn't tell us anything. What exactly do you mean, and can you back it up with anything real?

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No endeavor is wasted when it is directed towards perfection.

The Nazi "final solution" was, in the minds of Himmler, Hitler, et al., considered to be a plan that was directed towards some view, that they had, of perfection.

What perfection are you talking about? Our own perception of it? In this case, the Nazi plan was not a wasted endeavor. Certainly the endeavor did have lasting consequences and was not wasted (to the Nazis), but the rest of us pretty much agree it was bad, so what would your statement be telling us then?

Or, if you are talking about some universal concept of perfection that we should all be directing our efforts towards, please enlighten us as to its location so we can set our compasses accordingly.

@Icon,

"No endeavor is wasted when it is directed towards perfection." Only works for your own concept of perfection, it basically means that even if something is impossible to achieve working towards it can still be usefull.

I though he had meant "perfect beings" as in "We dont half-exist, we exist totally, so we are perfect beings". But, thinking back, thats kinda stupid since something cant really "half-exist", so he must have meant something around the lines of what pangloss responded to Smile

By the way, who is this Paul, and why people keep bursting out off-topicness about him?

@Icon,

Icon;58151 wrote:

If perfection is perception then perfection is deception. If perfection is deception then rejection of the perception of perfection is the only proper retaliation.

However, perfection is not perception. Perception is but a perspective on perfection; it is the perception therefore that is deception. There is no deception in perfection. The only proper retaliation is the rejection of the perception and let perfection be the exception. :a-ok:

@Pangloss,

Pangloss;58154 wrote:

Yes, we've heard this theory before. Unfortunately, it seems to disagree with our history; murdering, stealing, raping, pillaging...I guess this is all possible for perfect beings, simply because they carry a burden of shame? :sarcastic:

And if we are in fact, perfect, then no burden would affect us in such a way, because perfection should be incorruptible...or do you have some other idea of perfection? We are perfect underneath, but our "ego" tells us we are not? Sure, we might be perfectly suited as to our human nature, just as all rocks could be said to be perfect rocks, all dogs perfect dogs. But that doesn't tell us anything. What exactly do you mean, and can you back it up with anything real?

The Nazi "final solution" was, in the minds of Himmler, Hitler, et al., considered to be a plan that was directed towards some view, that they had, of perfection.

What perfection are you talking about? Our own perception of it? In this case, the Nazi plan was not a wasted endeavor. Certainly the endeavor did have lasting consequences and was not wasted (to the Nazis), but the rest of us pretty much agree it was bad, so what would your statement be telling us then?

Or, if you are talking about some universal concept of perfection that we should all be directing our efforts towards, please enlighten us as to its location so we can set our compasses accordingly.

Perfection is incorruptible, because indivisible. Only that which is divided can be corrupted. 'Shame' is the perception of an inadequacy, or lack, within that which is, in fact, holistic. This perceived lack creates desire within this 'divided' entity and the subsequent actions expressed seek to fulfill that desire.

That Germany was de-stabilised following the First World War is historic fact. Hitler's final solution was a dis-honourable attempt to seize economic (and like the face of every other political regime 'moral') control by exterminating those segments of the population that he perceived as responsible for this imbalance. This folly is extremism, and has no place, objectively speaking, in a discussion of perfection, except perhaps to cast aspersions on the potential of mankind by cementing him firmly into his own grave.

To dispel this perception of separateness, this sense of lack or of inadequacy, is to discover compassion. With compassion our separation becomes a force which binds us, and indivisibility is perfection ...

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