As my energy level increases I find it more difficult to concentrate on tasks at work, especially those of high stress. These are mild changes at the moment but I am recording the trends in order to provide an accurate report by the end of my study.

They have also convinced me to extend my trial period to one month in order to see the most drastic effects.

My current Diet:

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Are there things not worth knowing?

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Are there things not worth knowing?

And the cows and pigs and chickens thank you too.

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Manored: Right, and the general ethical argument for vegetarianism is: as causing undue suffering is morally reprehensible, and as at least some species other than humans have the capacity to suffer, humans should try not to cause them suffering.

As far as I can tell, the intellectual capacity of any given species is not part of the vegetarian argument. I do not see the relevance of intellect.

So then, other people who cry when I punch them, are not actually suffering.
And when I throw a stone at the irritating next door neighbors dog, who never stops barking, and I hit it, and it yelps and runs away, and stops barking for the rest of the day - it did not actually suffer. hmmmm. right.

Some humans are like that. Should we eat them too?

[answering the question of eating humans] I am guiding myself species wise, so no. I dont think any human can be mental-handicaped enough to be stupidier than a cow anyway.

I am guiding myself species wise, so no. I dont think any human can be mental-handicaped enough to be stupidier than a cow anyway.

The stupidest a human can get is vegetable, and cow is somewhere between that and normal. Yes humans can be.

What about people killed in accidents, fresh meat going to waste!

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I'd suppose he is ridiculing learning something that is different from his way of doing things. The egocentric tend to assume their way is the standard by which all others are to be judged.

Am I justified in being perfectly comfortable with my diet even though I am ignorant of whether I would benefit from a vegetarian diet?

Ultimately I am questioning your crusade. It seems rather quixotic.

Do you really have any reason other than curiosity?

Why not try less meat, more meat, different kinds of meat, all meat?

Better yet, why not consult a dietitian?

I can think of no better reason to do something other than curiosity. I did consult a dietitian and a nutritionist.

I am the most curious person you will ever meet (meat... mmmmmmmm) and I will go to almost any lengths to satisfy my curiosity.

Did you get the impression that it is taste and not health concerns that keep people eating meat when you spoke to the dietitian and nutritionist?

Vegetarian sources are usually pretty zealous about their dietary beliefs (the principle reason I and many others get annoyed by vegetarianism), and I hate to trust their judgment on the issue.

I have dozens of racquetball friends from a very social club I belonged to for many years, and every single one of them are serious meat eaters. At tournaments someone always was BBQing, same at poker games, etc. I would watch them eat what I thought was amazing amounts of flesh over a few hours. When they'd tease me for not partaking, the jokes would usually be about what I was missing out on. None that I heard ever spoke of their love of meat as anything but taste.

Over the course of the years, I have been genuinely surprised that among these generally active, athletic men, the number of these guys who've needed bypass surgery or stents, and developed colon polyps, tumors and cancers. Obviously I haven't done a proper study, and so can't claim there is a correlation between the incidents of disease and heavy meat eating, but I think it to myself nonetheless.

Not everybody you'd call a vegetarian is trying to be part of a cause. When a new acquaintance hears of my diet, I am often asked, "oh, so you are a vegetarian?" I always say, "no, I just don't eat meat."

My reasons are totally due to health concerns. Back in the '70s I first was doing the Adele Davis diet (lots of meat), and taking dozens of pills. I just wanted to be healthy. After a couple of years of experimenting I found that eating easier to digest food gave me a net gain in energy, and so it was natural that I would eventually consider giving up the hardest thing to digest in my diet: meat.

After that I eliminated eggs too, and then dairy (for about 8 years). In terms of my metabolism running super-efficiently, I have never had more energy or resisted colds/flu better than my vegan days. I've always done sports, and to the contrary of what meat eaters predict about needing meat for energy, I found I had more energy and stamina without it.

The truth is, with a bit of intelligent study, you can get all the nourishment you need from plant food (and of course dairy). The protein concerns many express I find a needless worry; I bet I could amaze you on how little food I get by on, and feel better because of it! However, if I had growing children, I would then pay more strict attention to making sure they had all the protein they needed for growth (or for me if, say, I were body building).

As the years went by my diet went from a health-energy thing, to my genuine taste preference. So as I say, I do not think of myself as a vegetarian, it's just that the foods I happen to prefer contain no meat, eggs, fish (or sugar, nor are they fried). Natural organic foods is what I prefer.