If God was the Devil, would he let us in on it?

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manored
 
Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2009 12:02 pm
@Pusyphus,
Pusyphus wrote:
Are you sure?


(BTW, can someone explain how to use the "multi-post" please?)
No, but I suppose so, since in a perfect world there wouldnt be much to do besides watching humans find ways of getting rid of their boredoom. Perhaps we can even say its impossible to have a human-perfect world since humans would make it imperfect, like it was said, to kill boredoom.
 
Pusyphus
 
Reply Thu 19 Feb, 2009 03:49 pm
@hammersklavier,
hammersklavier wrote:
Well, in Abrahamic religions Noah's sons are credited with being the fathers of the different races, so I don't see where you're wanting to take this line of inquiry further...

btw Some would say heavenly bliss = heavenly boredom. Have you read Paradise Lost? "Better to make a Heaven of Hell than a Hell of Heaven" I think Satan says. A perfect world would quickly stagnate into a boring world, we would create our own demons and make it imperfect to relieve the monotony. Thus God created an inherently imperfect world, making it perfectifiable by us.


I think we have enough demons given to us by our creator, that we would need to create more...

I don't see how noah could create new races on his own. He merely sustained them. According to scripture, the races were created by our creator(s). This is a very relevant concern. If our races were created so that one would be favored, how should that sit with the rest of us. And, respectfully speaking, why should anyone care about what the jews have to say? (They seem to be overly interesting in manufacturing sympathy, while having a horrible time of being accepted by other races.)
 
Didymos Thomas
 
Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 12:11 am
@Pusyphus,
Pusyphus wrote:
(They [Jews] seem to be overly interesting in manufacturing sympathy, while having a horrible time of being accepted by other races.)


Whoah, friend. That's a bit much, don't you think? In the first place you accuse Jews of being "interested in manufacturing sympathy", a claim that is, at best, dubious. Just a reminder: six million Jews were brutally slaughtered, en mass, fifty years ago. Historically speaking, that sort of brutality is immense: the very sort of brutality that is not easily forgotten, neither by those who directly suffered, nor easily forgotten by those who are aware of the suffering.

Second, you mention the descrimination against Jews by other "races": so what? That certain groups retain an ancient and illogical disposition toward hatred of Jews is not anywhere close to support of the thesis that 'we should not care what Jews have to say'.
 
Pusyphus
 
Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:35 am
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas wrote:
Whoah, friend. That's a bit much, don't you think? In the first place you accuse Jews of being "interested in manufacturing sympathy", a claim that is, at best, dubious. Just a reminder: six million Jews were brutally slaughtered, en mass, fifty years ago. Historically speaking, that sort of brutality is immense: the very sort of brutality that is not easily forgotten, neither by those who directly suffered, nor easily forgotten by those who are aware of the suffering.

Second, you mention the descrimination against Jews by other "races": so what? That certain groups retain an ancient and illogical disposition toward hatred of Jews is not anywhere close to support of the thesis that 'we should not care what Jews have to say'.


Of course, I will handle this delicately...

But, to play devil's advocate here, why would you assume that hatred toward jews is illogical? Wouldn't that just infuriate those who believe they have a legitimate reason for it?

You imply that hate is wrong no matter how you slice it. Okay, let's use a different word, and see if we can't get right to the heart of the matter. Again, playing devil's advocate, why shouldn't people all over the world resent jews for being the "chosen" ones, especially if their supposed mission was to accept that they are just as fallible as other humans?

It would be like a child that is told directly in front of its siblings, by its parents, that it is their favorite and will receive special treatment always. Sure, the ones to resent should actually be the parents. But, the parents are unaccessible. And, the special child will surely get his/her ass kicked in for it, one day or another, anyway...especially if the child goes along with it.
 
manored
 
Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 10:39 am
@Pusyphus,
That is an interesting view.
 
Didymos Thomas
 
Reply Fri 20 Feb, 2009 04:57 pm
@manored,
Tough to play devil's advocate with your own claims.
 
 

 
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