@Khethil,
Khethil;26128 wrote:Deftil's good post there got me thinkin... at the risk of going off topic here...[INDENT]Reincarnation, would necessarily have to depend on the consciousness (let's call it spirit) existing as a distinct, actual entity that's transferable. Did this concept (reincarnation) arise out of that I wonder? (kind of like the "Welp, if it can live forever and return to god, why not just transfer it?"-mindset). I don't subscribe to it in any form, but it *does* seem to follow that if you believe in that actuality of the spirit, it's not so much of a leap to conceive of it being transferred. Yes?
[/INDENT][INDENT]Another thought occurred to me. One of the videos we have ("The Waking Life" - very interesting I might add) had a short blurb about reincarnation - two folks talking about it - whereby one person talked about the numerical impossibility of it. I'll probably get this wrong, but in essence the idea was this: If more world population is growing, as it is, and souls are recycled from one life to the next, where are the new ones coming from?
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Again, this makes the assumption that one's reincarnation will be in human form, and in this particular plane of being. The philosophy of reincarnation takes place on what amounts, in essence, to an infinite timeline in an eternal cosmos.
There is a passage in the Hindu Upanishads which I believe addresses the misconception of "new souls."
The story goes as follows (I'm abbreviating a bit in the interest of time):
A demon has sealed off all of the waters of earth, creating a terrible drought. The god Indra realizes that he can destroy the monster, and does so by dropping a thunderbolt on it. The water is released, and the world is saved. To reward himself, Indra decides to have the carpenter of the gods build a mighty palace for him.
To the carpenter's irritation,the palace is never quite good enough, never quite big enough to satisfy Indra, so he goes to Brahma, the creator god, and complains. Brahma in turn passes the carpenter's complaint along to Vishnu, who in essence says "Don't worry about it. It will be taken care of."
The next morning a boy shows up at the gates of Vishnu's palace. Indra asks him what brings him there.
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(The following is taken directly from Joseph Campbell's "The Power of Myth.")
The boy says with a voice like thunder rolling on the horizon, "I am told that you are building such a palace as no other Indra before you has ever built."
And Indra says, "Indras before me--young man, what are you talking about?"
The boy says, "Indras before you. I have seen them come and go, come and go. Just think, Vishnu sleeps in the cosmic ocean, and the lotus of the universe grows from his navel. On the lotus sits Brahma, the creator. Brahma opens his eyes and the world comes into being, governed by an Indra. Brahma closes his eyes, and a world goes out of being. The life of a Brahma is 432,000 years. When he dies, the lotus goes back, and another lotus is formed, and another Brahma. Then think of the galaxies beyond galaxies in infinite space, each a lotus, with a Brahma sitting on it, opening his eyes, closing his eyes. And Indras? There may be wise men in your court who would volunteer to count the drops of water in the oceans of the world or the grains of sand on the beaches, but no one would count those Brahmin, let alone those Indras."
While the boy is talking, an army of ants parades across the floor. The boy laughs when he sees them, and Indra's hair stands on end, and he says to the boy, "Why do you laugh?"
The boy answer's "Don't ask unless you are willing to be hurt."
Indra says, "I ask. Teach."
And so the boy points to the ants and says, "Former Indras all. Through many lifetimes they rise from the lowest condition to the highest illumination. And then they drop their thunderbolt on a monster, and they think 'What a good boy am I.' And down they go again."
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I always liked this story.
Tock.
(Joins Khethil doing penance for going off-topic -- but brings two bottles of nice cold dark ale)