My brother got angry that there was no hot water last weak and threw a can of hairspray at a window in the house and broke it. Before any one could shout at him he noted that every window in the house was double glazed apart from the one he broke and proceeded to tell off my mum...
Without realizing it my mum used the same trace-back-to-big-bang technique to blame the window not being double glazed on money issues that existed at the time she paid to have the others double glazed. The blame will go back and back referring to what was specific about the environment at the time 'choices' were made until we reach someone's birth, in which case they will be able to pass blame to their parents for conceiving them, lol.
So yes I guess I do think it exists in reality, because people use it all the time to invalidate assertions that something is their fault. Furthermore I think it has big implication on freedom and choice which seems to have a huge effect on responsibility and blame.
Let's try to seperate the physical from the mental. There are physical actions (or re-actions if you wish) and there are mental actions (or re-actions if you wish). Mental re-actions are based on the frames of reference people use and the mental complications of judgements; the acting upon a mental object. Physical re-actions are based on the acting upon physical objects. Although we cannot be sure that the seperation exists, all things seem to point to the distinction.
In assuming that physical reality exists we must conclude that physical reactions are created by physical movemenets and are, in that sense, a necessity. Mental re-actions are created by usage of the personal frame of reference. Mental re-actions are therefore re-actions to the personal mental movements; the acting of mental consciousness upon itself. In that sence mental re-actions are created by judgements on ourselves (instead of judgements of another as is often assumed).
I might be very straightforward and say a few very true things on the basis of your example above. Suffice to say that your brother does not like to waste money and that your mother spends it when needed.
Following the above train of thought your responsibility is either (a) non existent or (b) not yours.
I ment to say that my responsibility is self-responsibility and your responsibility is self-responsibility as well. Therefore we are both responsible for different objects and our responsibilities are not the same.
So how lost am I? I was thinking along the lines that if we really do can chose, we stop and initiate an action based on a selection of actions (that is the choice being made), the infinite knock on effects of that action are then all your responsibility, and we seem to judge responsibility on how noticeable the actions are, for example if someone dies you can guarantee someone is getting sued, even though their actions were, in my opinion, predetermined by the environment.
Let's examine what you are saying. Say, for arguments sake, that A's drunk stumbling about made B's re-action to being shoved an agressive one, throwing his beer-mug at the drunk A, missing him and hitting C in the face. I'll stop here for our example and not describe the hidious barfight that followed.
The physical reaction of A on B (the shove) was a somewhat uncoordinated destabilization. The throwing of the beer-mug was not a re-action o the shove. What happened in reality was a mental judgement of B on B (I should not allow myself to be pushed around (<--ego; which consists of judgements)) which resulted in the "re action" of throwing the mug across the room. I think I have proven herewith that this was not a causal physical reaction to A's shoving, but a mental re-action of B on B. Therefore a new action was instigated instead of a continuation of a causal cycle.
So I was looking to the way people use blame/responsibility on each other for an insight into when people differentiate between a action/choice or reaction/non-choice. In my opinion it is all the latter, reaction and non-choice, therefore responsibility, choice and action are non existent or illusionary but, this won't stop me analysing the way we treat 'blame' in an attempt to unlock what people assume freedom, choice and responsibility to be.
Sort me out:D,
I am going to leave out the "blame" part for now. This requires an understanding of several other factors as well. Perhaps a new topic is needed for this.