@Pythagorean,
Pythagorean wrote:I see that you place your self within the "progressive" morality camp!? Even though previously you seemed to deny any moral bias??!
I never denied a moral basis, I only posited that moral valuation is subjective, and due to that, the institution of an objective moral code would actually
undermine true morality.
Quote:Be that as it may, I do not believe that our simply calling a spade a spade quite adds up to "traditional morality". It is merely common sense. This is what makes it so easy to see the moralistic tones within your argument. Your argument throws away any common sense condemnation of run-of-the-mill social decay such as the progressively disturbing pornographic content that the society is swimming in. (Just because I think that calling women "ho's" and "bitches" is a symptom of decadence doesn't necessarily mean that I am "traditional".) It is your attempt toward an a-historical defense of the lowest and most obvious human vices that places you in a moral camp. You misunderstand the role that reasonableness plays in our perfunctory condemnation as you misunderstand the moral element (read politically correct) of your own irrational stance in the name of your cherished "right" to do whatever you please at the expense of community well-being and furture security.
Take a step back and look at your post. You refer to "run-of-the-mill social decay", "disturbing pornographic content", "lowest and most obvious human vices", without providing any basis for these valuations. I, on the other hand, have not made a single claim towards the value or morality of pornography (I have explicitly said it is neither good or bad).
I have repeatedly urged you to spell out for me what makes pornography inherently bad, to which you have only repeated your mantra: "dark", "disturbing", "decay", "decadence".
So it takes a certain gall for you to declare me guilty of irrational moralizing.
I can provide a rational backing for my vision of just society, but it is simply not necessary: you have made the positive claim, all I need to do is refute it. Furthermore, until you propose some argument, I will be forced to gainsay you.
Finally, calling women "bitches" and "ho's" is not sexual or pornographic, it is misogynistic.
Quote:I don't how many times I can say that our society is self-doomed and there is nothing that can be done about it. This repeated statement of mine means that I am on the outside trying to describe things and not a "traditionalist" or a partisan player.
One cannot make such an interpretation of trends without employing moral conceptions.
Quote:The social contract, by definition, negates the individual will.
The inverse is true, the absense of a will negates a contract. A contract is enacted through agreement, and agreement can only be an action of the will.
