@Mr Fight the Power,
Mr Fight the power,
History does not support such altruistic behaviour in general,though there are no doubt instances of such altruism toward the weak.
"However, my point is that no expression of human behavior can be something other than animal behavior. Certainly about 40,000 years ago something occurred that caused humans to develop much more complex social structures, but to say that it is not a natural animalistic advance would be to lend humans a much greater standing within our universe than they merit."
So,you would take your tutorial from the observation of our animal cousins------yes? Even in the animal world there are characteristics of species both physical and behavioural.We are talking about the human animal, with its characteristics of behaviour.We can, and often do behave in a common manner characteristic to the larger defination of animal.Reason and compassion however are in whatever degree,are part of the defination of humanity---I do however agree, it is found elsewhere in the animal world.
"You are free to correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I understand where you are coming from on this, in that you feel the sex drive is one of the basic (read: lower) desires of men. You think that it is unreasoned want and is animalistic because of this." However, I would posit that no emotion or desire is derived from reason, rather they are tempered by reason(although, neuroscience is actually discovering evidence that reason has no other role than ordering and decifering our emotions, drives, and maybe even actions ex post facto). Even the great conditioner of human behavior, compassion, is quite evident in lower species, and could easily be considered one of humanity's basic or lower drives."
Well,your not exactly wrong,your in the right neighbourhood you might say.Are you familar with Schopenhaur's,The World As Will And Representation? The will according to Schopenhaur is blind,senseless,it is as a hunger which drives you.This will is ultimately the essence of all things and in all things it is as a blind directive.It certainly is blind in the animal world where instincts in their seasons rule.With reason we can control our own reprodution,but that is like a trick played at nature expense.
As Darwin pointed out early in the origin of species,nature cares not for the individual but for species.Sexuality largely over rules the individuals will, it will have its way,natural or unnaturally, it is not an intellectual decision.These are some of the reasons it is not to difficult to consider it base,base in the sense that it is all powerful in its elemental nature,only with man is it conditioned with reason---on rare occasions.
I am aware of what is coming out of neurology,there will be some mind blowing stuff just down the road.You could be right about compassion being elemental, but it would seem a conflict of common sense but then again,so what.Perhaps it is something in degree,developed in common with all social animals.
"If I may, I would like to offer a resolution for you, but first: As I said, I interpret your derision towards our sexual nature in that you percieve it as being unreasonable desire, but I don't think you can say that any desire or emotion or drive is reasonable. In this it is the not the desire but the resulting action that can be tempered by reason. When we separate desires from our reason, I lean to the conclusion that you do not oppose sexuality itself, rather any unreasonable expression thereof.
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Yes,you are correct for the most part,we do have a somewhat diffirent appreciation of the nature of the will and the sexual drive.As I stated earlier it is blind to anything accept it own fulfilment.If you are a strong healthy individual and young,its almost like the hormones are running the show.We know what drummer the young are marching too,its the same tune played through the eons.Actually try and imagine a world without the sex game,wouldn't it be a bore.One thing in closeing,you seem concerned over elemental or base drives,there are many of them, including your breathing and heartbeat.These however play a supportive essential background role, the sexual drive is right out front,it has its investment in today,and when your horny,its doing the driving.Your right though,an unreasonable expression of public sexuality I do find offensive.
I think we are frustrating our friend Pythagorean, in his desire to consider mans ailenation being due to post modernism leading to a nihilistic existence.Where would you Mr Fight the power,like to see this go,through what method would you like to address the topic,or are we on track in your opinion?