Is there anyone who believes in death before life?

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Refus
 
Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2007 08:39 am
Discuss and motivate in your reply whether or not there was (a) death before life. You may use all definitions and facts that you like and define death or life as you please as long as you post how you define it
 
rado
 
Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2007 10:06 am
@Refus,
Refus wrote:
Discuss and motivate in your reply whether or not there was (a) death before life. You may use all definitions and facts that you like and define death or life as you please as long as you post how you define it


I see life as eternal, therefore there can be no death "before" Life. In fact, there is no death at all, only a return from physical existence to non-physical.

Rado
 
Refus
 
Reply Fri 12 Jan, 2007 10:19 am
@Refus,
Why, thank you! Ok, does anyone agree with rado or do you have your own conclusion? Would you like to further develop that conclusion, rado?
 
Aristoddler
 
Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 10:48 am
@Refus,
Circle of existence, chicken/egg...which comes first if there is an afterlife or reincarnation? death-life-death-full circle.
Kind of a moot point, really.
But why would we begin dead? It doesn't make much sense to me to create something that doesn't work, and then restore it later.
 
Refus
 
Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2007 06:42 am
@Refus,
Just read the signature instead.
 
Aristoddler
 
Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2007 11:44 am
@Refus,
We may have come from nothing, but death is suffix not the prefix of living.
This is where I have trouble accepting this theory.
From nothing, I can create something, but from the destruction of something that has yet to exist, I can not create for there is nothing yet to destroy.
 
Refus
 
Reply Fri 19 Jan, 2007 12:22 pm
@Aristoddler,
Did you just convince yourself of that:confused:

You don't create something from nothing, you create it from that which has that same somethings abscence.
 
rado
 
Reply Sat 27 Jan, 2007 07:39 am
@Refus,
Refus wrote:
Why, thank you! Ok, does anyone agree with rado or do you have your own conclusion? Would you like to further develop that conclusion, rado?


Well, life (Mind) is ultimately non-physical. Non-physical Mind can incarnate in a physical body, into physical life, but it has to return to the non-physical again at some point, and that return means death of the physical body, and physical life. And that's what death really means.

The Biblical term "eternal life" means that your cycle of physical incarnations is over, which means you no longer will experience death (physical death), but remain in the non-physical realm of eternal life.

That's how I see it anyway,

Rado
 
Refus
 
Reply Sat 27 Jan, 2007 10:41 am
@Refus,
Either that or it is physical, yes. Either way, we are right now, because of something physical, right?
 
Neshama
 
Reply Sat 27 Jan, 2007 07:30 pm
@Refus,
If you are talking about our physical bodies , then of course, life and death exist. But on a soul level it does not exits. Our bodies are merely the dressing of our souls. The soul is eternal and ever evolving. The soul keeps coming back "dressed" in a different body but carries the "memories" of its experience from previous existances.

These are my two cents!
 
Refus
 
Reply Sun 28 Jan, 2007 08:59 am
@Neshama,
So you do not believe in life?

Figures...

Anything else?
 
Neshama
 
Reply Sun 28 Jan, 2007 09:49 pm
@Refus,
Of course there is life and death but only of the biological body not the spiritual one, not the soul.

Look here
Life and Death and watch this Reincarnation


Love this one!
 
Refus
 
Reply Mon 29 Jan, 2007 05:41 am
@Refus,
So you pretty much agree with my signature under my text?
 
Neshama
 
Reply Tue 30 Jan, 2007 10:33 pm
@Refus,
So far I was refering only to the question on your post, not your signature. You may perceive your physical body to be 'alive' but it is dead so long as the soul is not awakened. It is your choice to awaken it and with the true life - light. Checkout the link in my signature.

Explain your signature and so I can understand what you mean.

Can what?
Win what?

"Open your heart for me slightly, and I'll open the world for you." - The Zohar http://www.kabbalah.info
 
Refus
 
Reply Wed 31 Jan, 2007 03:08 am
@Refus,
Can do that and win happiness. It's not like I don't want everyone to be happy, the question is only, can we? can anyone be happy. Sum it all, what do you get?
 
TheHermit
 
Reply Sun 4 Feb, 2007 12:45 pm
@Refus,
I like most of the answers and questions but...

There is no dead, there is no life, there is only One Living Consciousness. He is the Nothing, the Nothing without limit, He is the Limitless Light.

What body do you talk about? The physical, astral, mental, desire, egoic, the Universe? They are all an illusion!

His Thinking brings them about. The Unmovable Mover brings them about. But all is an illusion that does not exist! Only He Is!

The Hermit

"Have you ever heard the Silence from which all the noise comes from?"
 
Refus
 
Reply Wed 7 Feb, 2007 04:08 am
@Refus,
There was no silence, there was only happiness of existence. There was bounds in the beginning, not easily broken. Those bounds were happiness, and even after an eternity of eternitys, it will remain, cause the universe is to big to dissapear. The rest is inserted in the signature under this text.
 
Neshama
 
Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2007 10:52 am
@Refus,
Hi Rufus:

Thanks for clarifying your thoughts. Yes, our perceprtion based on our physical senses depict for us our reality. And yes it is an illusion. Only when we attain the higher sense and elevate our soul to the spiritual can we observe the truth. The gains in this world are of the soul and that is NOT lost. Our so called physical gains are lost but not our spiritual ones. These evolve and bring us closer to the infinit light, to the creator.

Check this link. It says exactly what you are saying.
http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/science_and_kabbalah/articles_by_rav_laitman/a_method_for_researching_man_and_the_world.htm

"Open your heart for me slightly, and I'll open the world for you." - The Zohar http://www.kabbalah.info
 
Thrym
 
Reply Sun 11 Feb, 2007 11:33 am
@Neshama,
Neshama wrote:
Of course there is life and death but only of the biological body not the spiritual one, not the soul.

Look here
Life and Death and watch this Reincarnation


Love this one!


how could your soul" exist with out your body it was your body which created and formed your personality and "soul" how can this continue to live without that which created it

if anything it is your body that continues to live as it decomposes through time untill the chemicals and energy which were once present in your own body go on to form new life.
 
Refus
 
Reply Mon 12 Feb, 2007 01:33 pm
@Neshama,
Neshama wrote:
Hi Rufus:

Thanks for clarifying your thoughts. Yes, our perceprtion based on our physical senses depict for us our reality. And yes it is an illusion. Only when we attain the higher sense and elevate our soul to the spiritual can we observe the truth. The gains in this world are of the soul and that is NOT lost. Our so called physical gains are lost but not our spiritual ones. These evolve and bring us closer to the infinit light, to the creator.

Check this link. It says exactly what you are saying.
http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/science_and_kabbalah/articles_by_rav_laitman/a_method_for_researching_man_and_the_world.htm

"Open your heart for me slightly, and I'll open the world for you." - The Zohar http://www.kabbalah.info


That the self is a box of perception that remains unchanged. But this is not true, what we perceived is the bounds (spin, whatever), if the bounds cease to be, so does the happiness ie. pain. So the self is where the bounds are, and it takes 2 particles to be happy. And BTW, i don't read texts with the word soul in them.
 
 

 
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