mrs reaper wrote:
tyciol why are you so determined to stand up for sick perverts?? it is pedophillia i have read the book and it is plain sick, noone can say that it is alright for adults to molest babies and children brainwashing and grooming IS PEDOPHILIA which is what they did. children having sex IS IMMORAL there bodies are not ready for it physically or emotionaly
I'm not sure why you're saying I'm standing up for the Family's actions. I said "It's about destroying their free will and making them feel obligated to serve other people's whims and lust instead of following their own hearts." Does that sound like I'm standing up for them?
I just don't care if they are perverts. Perversion isn't wrong, it's just different. The family might be perverted, but it's wrong because it has controlling policies and spreads what I think is isolationist propoganda, not because of being perverted. There are plenty of 'sick' people I don't think are a threat to anyone. I honestly wouldn't even call it a sickness, to me it actually seems very consciously contemplated on the part of the men leading this. As for others who legitimately believe in it, it's not the result of a spontaneous sickness, but by being guided by those above telling them the way things are. It's not any more 'sick' than people believing in religions based on the words of pastors and other family members.
What the main problem is is that this religion is more expansionist and extremist than other ones and goes a step further doing some things which are more alarming to people.
Tyciol, i can tell you that what i experienced (so simillar to what Celeste went thru) WAS pedophillia and was hurtful not only at the time, but which left scars and fears with me that were carried into adulthood. Pedophillia is always wrong!
No it's not. It's not right or wrong, it's a condition. There is nothing about it which necessitates hurt or scars or fear. What you are describing sounds like molestation, manipulation, rape, abuse. Those words are more proper to describe what I am presuming you are refering to.
being brainwashed into committing murder still makes murder wrong. being brainwashed into having sex with your own child is wrong. and has been tabboo for thousands of years in many cultures.
is no excuse to commit acts that in your previous life you were aware were wrong. these adults were not born into TFI society. they joined after they became old enuf to do so legally. they knew full well what was right and what was wrong.
No, it doesn't. Murder is inherantly wrong, it isn't 'made wrong' by anything. I think what you meant to say was 'being brainwashed should not excuse immoral actions'. Being brainwashed into doing or thinking ANYTHING is wrong, there's no need to be specific. Taboos are utterly irrelevant, taboos do not determine what is right and wrong. Most people are not 'aware' of wrong, because wrong is a matter of opinion, not a matter of knowledge or fact. Essentially what happens, is people may believe that, but due to simply believing it due to being told it is wrong, they have not contemplated the matter for themself. Due to this, when they are confronted with their lack of thought on the matter, they naturally reject the opinion they were pressured into accepting (even if it was the right one) and look for an opinion they can call their own (even if they are lead to concluding it based on manipulative elders). People do not inherantly know what is right or wrong simply because they were adults beforehand, and even so they can be led to (or spontaneously) change their minds on various issues over time.