Get Email Updates • Email this Topic • Print this Page
I`ve read stuff about sexual abuse,child abuse,etc and I was wondering if the Family International is still operating that way
They haven't changed, they still hold to Berg being God's Endtime Prophet, even though I have met one or two members who say that he was wrong. which would make him a false prophet even by their own admission.
They may not practice some of the really wild stuff, but they still "share" (wife swap--or to put it biblically--Fornicate and commit adultery--both of which are condemned by the Bible). They still practice occultism, ie Sun Signs, spirit guides and necromancy (which are also condemned by the Bible).
Occultism?? Isn't the Family totally against it? In the Mo Letter "Illuminati" it's totally bashed.
n00b wrote:Occultism?? Isn't the Family totally against it? In the Mo Letter "Illuminati" it's totally bashed.
You're right. I wouldn't call it Occultism. It's actually closer to Gnosticism, given their doctrinal emphasis on the conflicts between mythological characters.
There's way too many "spirit helpers" to keep track of, but a majority of them are in the Bible, so that much I believe.
Occultism?? Isn't the Family totally against it? In the Mo Letter "Illuminati" it's totally bashed.
As far as I know, however, they will not report this individual to the proper authorities. I am perfectly willing to be proven wrong here, as I left this group over 11 years ago. What I am stating here is what I personally witnessed while I was a member of this group (note: I was born into this group).
The fact remains, however, that sex with minors did occur quite often in the 70s and 80s. This practice was not only condoned, it was suggested and endorsed by the highest levels of leadership (ie, Berg, Zerby, and Kelly).
I grew up in The Family International during the nineties, and I was never subjected to any kind of sexual abuse or forced sexual activity.
I'm not doubting you at all. I have older brothers and sisters who grew up in TFI and I know for a fact that sexual abouse has occured within the group. I'm simply stating that, to my knowledge, TFI is no longer like that. In fact changes made to The Charter, the principle document of TFI stating the rules and regulations of the group, are now in effect, as far as i know, which make any sexual contact with minors a permanently exommunicable offense.
60. (Question:) How were cases of sexual interaction with minors handled that occurred before the excommunication policy was announced in 1989? Was this policy applied retroactively?
61. As I explained in the second GN of this series, infractions of the 1986 notice disallowing sexual interaction between adults and minors became excommunicable in 1989...
62. When the list of excommunicable offenses was published in July 1989 (see ML #2531, Vol. 19), there were 22 offenses which could result in excommunication, depending on the gravity of the offense. These were not published so as to apply them retroactively...
Source: Family's History, Policies, and Beliefs Regarding Sex, The?Part 3 GN 1236 FD/MM/FM 3673 10/07 [Published/distributed December 2007] http://archive.xfamily.org/docs/fam/gn/gn-1236.htm
64. Once it was announced to the Family that any sort of sexual interaction with minors would result in excommunication, this became the Family's "law?" and infractions were dealt with accordingly. You may wonder why we didn't focus our efforts on investigating past incidences of sexual interaction with minors and seek to excommunicate any individual that had acted on the understood allowance for this in some of the pubs.
[...] 67. As a second point, there are many precedents in history of societies that made moral turnarounds on issues, and created laws that were opposite to the preexisting cultural understanding and norms. It often took people quite some time to adjust their perspectives when such change represented a radical departure from the previously accepted status quo. In implementing these changes and creating new laws, the government did not penalize people for the preexisting behaviors and norms. [...]
70. Could the government of that day, in all fairness, go back in time and seek to penalize those who had been operating within the accepted moral code of their day? Once laws were enacted, those who had previously discriminated against African Americans, and enforced segregation laws, now had to abide by the new laws that mandated the exact opposite. If they repeated their former actions, they could be penalized according to the law, though it even took some time for the attitude of the courts to change in many parts of the country. But the courts generally could not go backwards in time and penalize those who had been technically operating according to the laws and morally accepted code of behavior of their day, even though those laws and behaviors were clearly wrong.
71. Courts very rarely apply laws retroactively, as it's generally deemed unfair to judge individuals by incidents and actions that occurred during a different moral and legal clime by the yardstick of the present laws and norms. It's not possible to qualify every instance of the past based on the context of the present or new legislation. Similarly, it was not possible for the Family to revisit every case that had occurred before our policies were in place? and attempt to judge those situations based on the legislation enacted in 1989.
72. In making this comparison between the moral turnaround the Family experienced on the issue of sexuality and minors, and similar ones that have occurred throughout history, it's important to bear in mind that we were a culture dropped out of the System? and for the most part, we followed the laws that the Lord and Dad had laid down, and considered those to be the guiding force of the Family.
Source: Family's History, Policies, and Beliefs Regarding Sex, The?Part 3 GN 1236 FD/MM/FM 3673 10/07 [Published/distributed December 2007] http://archive.xfamily.org/docs/fam/gn/gn-1236.htm
131. As SGAs, you need to understand that any FGAs in the Family today who had sexual contact with a minor back in the late 1970s or early to mid-1980s were most likely acting in good faith. They had no intention of causing you harm. For the most part, in the absence of Dad's writings they would have never taken part in such interaction. And once it was banned? they completely discontinued interaction of this nature and supported and upheld our strong policies against it.
132. There may have been a few FGAs who were not operating in good faith, and whose actions clearly contravened the guidelines of the Law of Love in place at that time. The sexually liberal climate of the Family during that era may have unwittingly given access to minors to such individuals who acted abusively, and their actions were harmful and coercive. Such actions were never condoned or given allowance for under any circumstances in the Law of Love at any period of the Family? and were a direct contravention of everything that Dad taught us about loving and caring for others. Mama and I sincerely apologize to any who suffered due to the lack of safeguards to protect you from such harm. We are confident that the excommunication policies enacted in 1989 were successful in expelling any such individuals from the Family many years ago.
Source: Family's History, Policies, and Beliefs Regarding Sex, The?Part 3 GN 1236 FD/MM/FM 3673 10/07 [Published/distributed December 2007] http://archive.xfamily.org/docs/fam/gn/gn-1236.htm
Laws designed specifically to protect children from sexual abuse appeared by the end of the Middle Ages. These laws stipulated that children lack capacity to consent to sex. "Consensual" intercourse with an underage girl was rape (Laiou, 1993, p. 125). Phipps (1997) writes,
'The first significant discussion of sexual crimes against children occurred during the maturation of canon law in the Middle Ages. Teachers of canon law taught that sexual intercourse with a girl who was under the age of consent to marry was rape even if the girl consented and failed to protest the intercourse? Canon law from the fourteenth to fifteenth centuries continued to prohibit sexual intercourse with children. (p. 8) .'
In England, two influential acts of Parliament dealt with sex offenses against children. First, in 1275, the Statute of Westminister I provided, "The King prohibiteth that none do ravish, nor take away by force, any Maiden within Age, neither by her own consent nor without." Ravish meant rape. "Within age" meant girls under 12, which was the "age of consent to marriage" (Coke, 1671/1979, p.163).
Source: Conte, Jon R. Critical Issues in Child Sexual Abuse: Historical, Legal, and Psychological Perspectives. Thousand Oaks, Calif: Sage Publications, 2002.
I was sexually abused by the family when i was 14.
I am now 16.
Life is hard.
it was made clear that the excommunication policy was not applied to those who raped children before July 1989:Quote:infractions of the 1986 notice disallowing sexual interaction between adults and minors became excommunicable in 1989...
