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eziemac
 
Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 10:25 am
Hi there. My name is Euan, pleased to meet you all Smile

I'm a graphic designer so i feel i can't really contribute a great deal to this forum with regards to philosophy, however the reason i'm here is for a little help.

I'm considering getting a tattoo with words saying 'Just be'. I know in my head what it means but i find it hard to explain its meaning in a deep and complex way, you know?

Anyway, if any of you great thinkers could give a cracking definition of it so i can show off i would greatly appreciate it. Razz

P.s i know this post is a little random, feel free to delete it if you feel it does not follow the forum rules.
 
VideCorSpoon
 
Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 11:08 am
@eziemac,
Welcome eziemac!

You never know enzimac, you could be one of the best contributors to the forum and not even know it. Please stay with us and help us determine how to extract sunlight from cucumbers.

To tell the truth, I think you could pull "just be" in a whole myriad of different directions. I guess the interpretation can go as far as what deeper context you want to give it. Epistemologically, you could say that "just be" is a relative account of Rene Descartes, the father of modern philosophy. Rene Descartes in Meditations on First Philosophy supposed a rationalistic interpretation of reality, God, the universe, etc. In his first meditation, Descartes does not know what he knows is in fact real, what he could be experiencing are all false impressions for all he knows. Descartes essentially doubts everything. But perhaps there is a deceiving demon that is putting those false ideas in his head. Descartes must doubt everything. But what is real? What can Descartes know clearly and distinctly? Not his impressions which may for all intensive purposes be false. There is something he does know though. The fact that he is being deceived is evidence that he exists. Thus, Descartes can say "Res Cogitans" (I am a thinking thing)? not to be confused with "Cogito Ergo Sum" (I think, therefore I am). If you juxtapose that with "just be," what you are essentially saying is that through all the confusion of what you are (as a person, and individual, etc.) with all the doubt in the world, just be who you are.. just be.

Metaphysically, you could go with Aristotle's interpretation of "being" in his treatise Metaphysics. "being" to Aristotle is ultimately "substance," but is interesting to see how he arrived at that conclusion. This is an excerpt from a paper I did a long time ago on "being" in book Zeta 1 and 2 where Aristotle elaborates on "what is being."

VideCorSpoon wrote:
In Metaphysics Zeta, Aristotle examines the question "what is being." But as we will soon find out, the question of "what is being" will soon become "what is substance?" But this is a very difficult question. Aristotle will examine what substance is in a number of chapters, namely from chapter one to ten which is in fact the scope of this paper. Aristotle begins his examination into "what is being" by positing that, "We speak in many ways of what is, i.e. the ways we distinguished earlier in our work on the several ways in which things are spoken of." (1028a12) Aristotle is picking up where he last left off on his examination of being wherein he refers to his work in the Categories, where "what is" could be taken to be substance, quality, quantity, etc. But Aristotle seeks to refine his previous inquiry as he did in Categories by stating that "what is" is primarilysubstance, for he states that "?it is clear that the primary thing that-is is what a thing is, which signifies its substance."(1028a13) Aristotle gives us an important notion to latch onto which is that "what is" is now taken to be substance. Further, that substance is the primary "what is" compared to the previously listed candidates for "what is" in Categories such as quality, quantity, etc.

If Aristotle is to accept the answer to the question of "what is being" as primary substance, he must now examine the different ways in which substance may be viewed as being primary. Aristotle begins by stating that when we ask "what quality a thing is"(1028a15), our immediate response is to say that it "is good" or it "is bad." But when we ask "what it is"(1028a17), we reply with a statement that it is "a man" or "a god." That it is good or bad, or a man or a god is underlined by the fact that it is the "what," or "the substance" that is primary in "being" a god or "being" good. Other things, Aristotle continues, are also said "to be" by being predicates of substance, such as, "?qualities, or affections, or something else of this sort." (1028a17)

Now a thing may partake in some action, whether it is sitting or standing for example. This may at first be taken as being, but sitting or walking does not make it something in its own right because of the fact that predicates cannot exist without a substance to which they might adhere. "Walking" does not exist outright, but rather it is a thing that walks. Aristotle solidifies this point by immediately stating that, "If anything, it is the walking thing and the sitting thing and the healthy thing that is."(1028a24) Thus the predicate is not being, but it is rather the substance that is and further underlies the predicates which belong to the substance. Aristotle continues this assumption stating that, "?what primarily is -not is something but is without qualification- will be substance." (1028a19). Substance is then according to Aristotle in a way void of attributes, much like a blank substrate with predicates then attached to it.

Aristotle continues to further underline the primacy of substance by stating that, "Now we speak of what is primary in many ways, but substance is primary in every way - in definition, in knowledge, and in time." (1028a31) Substance for Aristotle is primary because the definition, for example, of all non-substantial attributes must include the definition of substance. Substance is also primary in knowledge because we know something most fully when we know what it is rather than the attributes which predicate themselves upon the substance.

"Indeed the question that was, is and always will be asked, and will always cause difficulty- that is, the question "what is being?" - is the question what is substance."(1028b2) Thus the examination of "what is being" is in fact "what is substance" because substance is primary to anything predicable of it. "This it is that some say that it is one, some more than one; that some say it is infinite in number, some finite." (1028b4) Here Aristotle points out that there are different conceptions of "what is substance." This may in fact be the link between the first and second chapters of Zeta. Chapter one's main question is indeed "what is substance?" In answering this question, Aristotle states that substance is spoken of in many ways, but one thing is certain, which is that substance is that primary thing that other things are predicated of. It is foremost in our inquiry because it is primary definition, knowledge, and time. But what kind of thing could this primary substance be? To answer this question, we must move now into chapter two where Aristotle examines what kind of things substance could be by examining other opinions on "what is substance" given by Aristotle's contemporaries. This link appears to be logical because Aristotle must formulate ideas on what primary substance is, and perhaps his contemporaries can shed light on the issue or cast doubt on others.



So from all of this, you could say that throughout all this complex analysis of what it means to be and being, one may essentially be nothing as the primacy of substance is essentially a blank substrate with attributes attached to it. So look at your computer screen. You see the shape of the computer, probably rectangular, probably black, cords coming out the side of it, various images on the front of it. But what really is the computer monitor. It cannot be the blackness of the frame, the images on the screen which change every other second? it must be the computer monitor itself. Strip away all the attributes, the colors, the words, etc. and you are essentially left with a blank template, a substrate, a cell with a phospholipid bilayer that's not made of phospholipids. "Just be" may refer to that blank substrate that we may all be when stripped of the attributes that make us unique.

But you could go the existentialist way, etc. It all depends on where your interests lay.
 
Justin
 
Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 12:16 pm
@eziemac,
Welcome Euan! Nearly everyone can contribute to Philosophy as none of were really philosophers from birth... or were we?.. LOL. Needless to say, welcome to the forum.
 
eziemac
 
Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 12:23 pm
@eziemac,
Thanks for the insightful reply, videcor, i really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question.

Basically i wanted it for the "just be yourself" part but its great to hear the background and relative info on the term. Thanks again!

Hey cheers Justin!

Out of interest, have any of you guys heard of karl pilkington?
 
Justin
 
Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 12:26 pm
@eziemac,
Cheers!
eziemac wrote:
Out of interest, have any of you guys heard of karl pilkington?

No, but feel free to start a thread on him in another forum and introduce him to the community.
 
Pathfinder
 
Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 10:04 am
@eziemac,
eziemac,

My two cents worth?

I think of the old Easy Rider adage when I read your words.

The old rebel at heart attitude that nothing matters except pleasing yourself. Self gratification. John Lennon, Let it be.

That does NOT fit into my philosophy of life but to each his own.

If you want a tattoo that gives that impression to some than go for it.

But if your intentions are a little different maybe you should reconsider the wording.

Is that an accurate portrayal of your intent on meaning?

'Just Be' could also mean being yourself and not trying to fit in with the Jones's or the Smiths. That would absolutely fit into my philosophy. So you see, one must be careful about the words they choose for representation.
 
eziemac
 
Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 02:22 pm
@eziemac,
Everyone is unique so to me the term would serve as encouragement to others to be who they are and let their uniqueness stand out.

However, the main motive is almost a reminder to myself to be who i am as doing so has gotten me to where i am today and is the reason i have a healthy relationship with my family and all my friends.
 
Pathfinder
 
Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 06:19 pm
@eziemac,
Then so be it, JUST BE!
 
 

 
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