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Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:18 pm
hello, i am a student in south wales, aged 16.
Ive spent the last year slowly falling into anomie, letting everything from school to social contact slip.
My problem is that i cannot overcome my solipsism and narcissism, and i know with absolute certainty that one day im going to die, and that i will leave the world exactly as i found it, just another temporary cog in the machine of human proliferation.
So i come here hoping to find out, Is this enough for you? Does anyone actually ascribe any meaning to thier lives, or do they continue with the day to day business of life hoping for the best?
What stops you from simply withdrawing, after all, society will hardly mourn you, no matter who you are there is another ready to take your place.

A bit vague and undirected but this was the first thing to spring to mind, and i havent had a chance to discuss this sort of thing before. (Damn british education system Razz)

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Holiday20310401
 
Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:33 pm
@Solipsistic Cat,
Hi solipsistic cat.

Oh I am going far away from western society when I grow up. I want to write and read, and inform. That's my purpose. Get society to stop this ignorance.
 
Didymos Thomas
 
Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:39 pm
@Solipsistic Cat,
Solipsistic_Cat wrote:
hello, i am a student in south wales, aged 16.


Welcome! Glad to have you on the forums.

Solipsistic_Cat wrote:
Ive spent the last year slowly falling into anomie, letting everything from school to social contact slip.


Why is it that folks like us find our way to philosophy?

Solipsistic_Cat wrote:
My problem is that i cannot overcome my solipsism and narcissism, and i know with absolute certainty that one day im going to die, and that i will leave the world exactly as i found it, just another temporary cog in the machine of human proliferation.


Exactly as you found it? Is this even possible? No matter how insignificant your influence on the world might be, to live is to necessarily influence the world. If you live, you can't help but be some sort of change.

Solipsistic_Cat wrote:
So i come here hoping to find out, Is this enough for you? Does anyone actually ascribe any meaning to thier lives, or do they continue with the day to day business of life hoping for the best?


Plenty. To ask for more is impossible. It is our responsibility to make manifest whatever change we want to see in the world. No matter how relatively insignificant our contribution, we cannot do any more than try to live the way we should.

Solipsistic_Cat wrote:
What stops you from simply withdrawing, after all, society will hardly mourn you, no matter who you are there is another ready to take your place.


Who is society? No one will mourn you if you ignore them. Go out into the world and experience other people, then your passing will be mourned and your life celebrated.

Solipsistic_Cat wrote:
A bit vague and undirected but this was the first thing to spring to mind, and i havent had a chance to discuss this sort of thing before. (Damn british education system Razz)

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The American education system is worse. You just have to make due. Read your eyes out - I wish I had. I wish I read more today. You seem like a bright fellow. I look forward to reading your posts on the forums.
 
Solipsistic Cat
 
Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:40 pm
@Holiday20310401,
Holiday20310401 wrote:
Hi solipsistic cat.

Oh I am going far away from western society when I grow up. I want to write and read, and inform. That's my purpose. Get society to stop this ignorance.


Ahhh, but inform what?
How can you be sure the morals and wisdom you will teach are correct?
Not only is the opinion of those who act in "ignorance" as valid as yours, but how can you be sure what even you believe?

I too wanted to leave my mark upon the world, but i cannot be sure of my inconstant beliefs. One day i might see the beauty in a totally egalitarian techno-gaia, and be willing to devote my life to achieving it, but the next i long for an empire where my beliefs alone are permited, and will achieve immortality as i cannot hope to.

It seems safest to do nothing, as thoughts can be rescinded.
 
Didymos Thomas
 
Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:43 pm
@Solipsistic Cat,
Inconsistent beliefs... reminds me of something Whitman once wrote, a famous line, I think:
"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"


 
Holiday20310401
 
Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:43 pm
@Solipsistic Cat,
Well the important thing is to be open minded and constantly question everything. People who don't think but live their lives without doing so are going to be left with a latent, lacking logic, purpose that is filled only with a blissful emotional frenzy. To some, that sounds appealing, to me... not enough.
 
Solipsistic Cat
 
Reply Mon 17 Nov, 2008 11:56 pm
@Didymos Thomas,
Didymos Thomas wrote:
Welcome! Glad to have you on the forums.


Ahhhh an honour to meet you Smile


Quote:
Why is it that folks like us find our way to philosophy?

Because philosophy simply lends credibility to the doubts everyone feels.
Nonetheless they are valid doubts, no matter how unsettling.


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Exactly as you found it? Is this even possible? No matter how insignificant your influence on the world might be, to live is to necessarily influence the world. If you live, you can't help but be some sort of change.

Well true, but i see the world as inexorably moving towards something, be it good or bad, and i know the huge inertia facing any attempt to change the world. Besides, despite being a solipsist, i know that i am the product of my environment, and had i not been born, someone damn like me would have been.


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Plenty. To ask for more is impossible. It is our responsibility to make manifest whatever change we want to see in the world. No matter how relatively insignificant our contribution, we cannot do any more than try to live the way we should.

But how should i live? Is altruism the path to fulfilment, or is a life spent in hedonism a worthy one? Do i convert those who disagree or dispose of them?

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Who is society? No one will mourn you if you ignore them. Go out into the world and experience other people, then your passing will be mourned and your life celebrated.

But people have incredible short memories, once i die, my memory will last as far as my grandchildren, and from then on i will be a name in the family tree.

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The American education system is worse. You just have to make due. Read your eyes out - I wish I had. I wish I read more today. You seem like a bright fellow. I look forward to reading your posts on the forums.

That is the one thing i am certain of, i cannot see how expanding my intellect can be evil, and i can only hope knowledge for knowledge's sake will not simply entrench my removal from reality.
 
Solipsistic Cat
 
Reply Tue 18 Nov, 2008 12:02 am
@Holiday20310401,
Quote:
Inconsistent beliefs... reminds me of something Whitman once wrote, a famous line, I think:
"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"

I contradict myself because i try to pursue many lines of thoughts based on my uncertain premises, for when you doubt your own past, even the present, its hard to reach concrete conclusions.


Holiday20310401 wrote:
Well the important thing is to be open minded and constantly question everything. People who don't think but live their lives without doing so are going to be left with a latent, lacking logic, purpose that is filled only with a blissful emotional frenzy. To some, that sounds appealing, to me... not enough.


But dont you envy them? Those who believe wholeheartedly that they are fulfilled, even those who believe they will live forever. How carefree and easy a life it must be to know you are infallible.
If the physical is the summation of existance, they havent truly wasted it.
 
 

 
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